Yes it is possible, but it is against the rules of this forum to discuss it.
What would make me want to buy a mac?
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Yes it is possible, but it is against the rules of this forum to discuss it.
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This irritates me a bit. Not wanting to start an argument, cuz this is simply my opinion but I'm in a band, and we've recently got the money together to sort our own studio. We know pcs and we could put one together for cheaper so we built a pc and use sonar to record. Before we did we'd recorded with two different studios and both used pcs. On a similar note, my friends band uses a pc and Cubase. Our bassist is doing a music production degree at uni and she's taught on... pcs.
I have quite a few friends who are into photography and out of maybe 6 people, I know one of them who uses a mac.
All I'm saying is I don't understand why everyone assumes creative types use macs. It isn't unheard of people to use pcs to do these things. The majority of the software is available for pcs as well. Just because it has a glowing apple stamped on the back doesn't make everyone with a creative hobby want to buy one.
You said it yourself, hobby. Of course people are hesitant to learn a new OS for a hobby.
Associate
Ok so perhaps badly worded there, but as I mentioned my band has recorded in two studios (where we paid so it was a professional/business situation) and they were using pcs. Again my friend doing a music production degree (because she wants to work in that field when she graduates) is being taught on pcs.
Maybe I did answer my own question with the hobby comment, but I know professionals/people doing these creative things for a job who aren't using macs. So why the assumption that everybody does?
Maybe I did answer my own question with the hobby comment, but I know professionals/people doing these creative things for a job who aren't using macs. So why the assumption that everybody does?
Associate
I don't usually get involved in these 'discussions' as they never actually achieve anything. I do enjoy reading them though. Since i'm bored, here's my lil' story which you can choose to ignore if you'd like.
Some time ago, I used to be a big PC enthusiast. Built them for a living, had a home network running, gaming PC, media centre PC, laptop, the lot. I was very 'anti-Mac' - basically thought anyone who was prepared to spend a lot of money on something that looks nice but was 'under-specced' compared to any of my PCs was an utter idiot. 'Anything OSX can do, my Linux installation can do just as well, and probably better' I used to tell my friends. Of course, I'd never actually used a Mac or ever really came into contact with one. Then one day, a friend of mine against all of my advice and ranting went out and bought an iMac. Oh how I laughed at his stupidity. I refused to even look at it. Then I saw him using features like 'Expose' and pretended like it was rubbish and pointless. Anyways, he went away on hols and asked me to keep check on his place when he was away. So, as you do, when you're at someone's house on your own and a bit bored, you look for things to do. No PC in sight and it was killing me. So I did the dreaded, dirty thing and switched on the iMac...
Biggest slice of humble pie I've ever eaten.
By the time he came back from his hols, I'd bought a 20in iMac. I'm not going to rant on about what I like about it, or how I love how it just all works and comes together. But I will say this - don't do what I did. Don't knock it until you've tried it.
Some time ago, I used to be a big PC enthusiast. Built them for a living, had a home network running, gaming PC, media centre PC, laptop, the lot. I was very 'anti-Mac' - basically thought anyone who was prepared to spend a lot of money on something that looks nice but was 'under-specced' compared to any of my PCs was an utter idiot. 'Anything OSX can do, my Linux installation can do just as well, and probably better' I used to tell my friends. Of course, I'd never actually used a Mac or ever really came into contact with one. Then one day, a friend of mine against all of my advice and ranting went out and bought an iMac. Oh how I laughed at his stupidity. I refused to even look at it. Then I saw him using features like 'Expose' and pretended like it was rubbish and pointless. Anyways, he went away on hols and asked me to keep check on his place when he was away. So, as you do, when you're at someone's house on your own and a bit bored, you look for things to do. No PC in sight and it was killing me. So I did the dreaded, dirty thing and switched on the iMac...
Biggest slice of humble pie I've ever eaten.
By the time he came back from his hols, I'd bought a 20in iMac. I'm not going to rant on about what I like about it, or how I love how it just all works and comes together. But I will say this - don't do what I did. Don't knock it until you've tried it.
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Not sure what Uni your female friend is at, but they're probably using a PC to cut cost. ProTools is the industry standard, and is run 99% on Macs.
Yes, they are pricey (having to buy the DSP cards and software ~ £8000 and that's without the Mac Pro, effect racks or samplers), but without my Uni having the hardware I'd have never gone and done the jobs I do now.
I think the perception came from the bigger "creative professionals" who use Macs, and it's a stereotype that's stuck down to the smaller users who just happened to use Macs.
I bought a MacBook a couple of months back after too much browsing in this part of the forum. 
I don't find it any easier/better for photo editing/music editing than Windows.
I don't find it all that faster than Windows either. I have a 2.4 2GB MacBook, and at work I have a 2.3 2GB Dell machine and I would say they're about the same speed.
One thing that has annoyed me is that i've often found myself needing to make little changes on documents, only to find that you can't get the software on Mac's. Means going upstairs, booting up my Windows machine and then doing it on that. Bit of a pain.
I've had quite a few crashes/restarts on here too so don't listen to any of the "ZOMG MACS NEVER CRASH!!" either.
I'm a bit wary of the optical drive too. I'm not sure if it's just mine but whenever I insert a disk it sounds like it's chewing it up! Works fine but it's like i'm waiting for it to die. I've also had stuck disks a few times.
Overall i'm glad I bought the MacBook as it's something different (and it looks cool!) but sometimes I wish i'd just spent say £400 on an equivalent Windows machine and kept the change.
I don't find it any easier/better for photo editing/music editing than Windows.
I don't find it all that faster than Windows either. I have a 2.4 2GB MacBook, and at work I have a 2.3 2GB Dell machine and I would say they're about the same speed.
One thing that has annoyed me is that i've often found myself needing to make little changes on documents, only to find that you can't get the software on Mac's. Means going upstairs, booting up my Windows machine and then doing it on that. Bit of a pain.
I've had quite a few crashes/restarts on here too so don't listen to any of the "ZOMG MACS NEVER CRASH!!" either.
I'm a bit wary of the optical drive too. I'm not sure if it's just mine but whenever I insert a disk it sounds like it's chewing it up! Works fine but it's like i'm waiting for it to die. I've also had stuck disks a few times.
Overall i'm glad I bought the MacBook as it's something different (and it looks cool!) but sometimes I wish i'd just spent say £400 on an equivalent Windows machine and kept the change.
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You've had "quite a few crashes/restarts" ?
As in the black screen informing you that you MUST restart the machine (i.e. Kernel Panic)?
I suggest that there's something conflicting on a hardware level, like badly seated RAM because the only crashes I've ever had were software.
As in the black screen informing you that you MUST restart the machine (i.e. Kernel Panic)?
I suggest that there's something conflicting on a hardware level, like badly seated RAM because the only crashes I've ever had were software.
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duh they are the same bloated thing on the mac
Whats the difference?
No, they are really not.
Firefox on mac is ****, but its good on PC.
Safari >>>>> Firefox on a mac by FAR.
Oh and iTunes is slick and quick on my MPB.
Wtfness does the speed have to do with being bloated?
I was generally complaining about the lack of intuitiveness and excessiveness of that software.
Associate
She's at Manchester so I can't see the costs being a problem tbh. I could understand that with a smaller uni but Manchester is pretty well funded from what I gather. As a kind of comparison my girlfriend is doing a computer btec thing at a small college and they have quite a few macs in their art department and their IT department. If a tiny college can have them I doubt Manchester Uni wouldn't.
I'm just arguing the point now anyway. It's all the same in the end. It's just as someone who does stuff on the creative side of things it irritates me that there's this idea that it's macs only. You can do it all on a pc as well. Even when there isn't a specific port of a program (ie Logic or something) you can still get 5 good alternatives on pc.
Also is this the first time that a mac user and a pc user have had a relatively well mannered discussion on here?
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I can understand your argument stopstartstall, and yes, it would be odd Manchester not having the funds.
There's no doubting you can't do it all on a PC, but it seems weird (to me) how they wouldn't want to teach students on what is classed as "industry standard" hardware
It does seem like a few people went on about stuff as if it was fact, when clearly they were blowing smoke..
There's no doubting you can't do it all on a PC, but it seems weird (to me) how they wouldn't want to teach students on what is classed as "industry standard" hardware
It does seem like a few people went on about stuff as if it was fact, when clearly they were blowing smoke..
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I can understand your argument stopstartstall, and yes, it would be odd Manchester not having the funds.
There's no doubting you can't do it all on a PC, but it seems weird (to me) how they wouldn't want to teach students on what is classed as "industry standard" hardware
It does seem like a few people went on about stuff as if it was fact, when clearly they were blowing smoke..
Certainly in the film editing industry there's a legacy here from the end of the G5 era. A G5 power mac was only so powerful and couldn't compete with top end PC workstatons, so some studios bought windows machines and had mixed environments.
The mac pro can of course mix it up with about any PC workstation out there but there is a lagacy of studios starting to use both. Could be that legacy that ended up with them buying PCs or they could have bought them before the intel changeover.
Other option is of course, beign a large uni, they have preferable pricing from a PC supplier in exchange for exclusivity...
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What excessiveness?
Im really not getting you at all.
I've got Safari 3 and iTunes 7.6 on both PC and Mac, on PC its shocking on mac is fine.
I really don't know what your on about :/
Stopstart have you considered the other creative industries? Music isn't the only one
It's a fair example and it's interesting to know, but coming from a Graphic Design degree and spending time with people in the industry it's all about Mac. The only department at my uni (Arts Institute at Bournemouth) that doesn't use macs is Finance.
P.s. it is nice to have a reasonable and sensible conversation about this for once.
Panzer
It's a fair example and it's interesting to know, but coming from a Graphic Design degree and spending time with people in the industry it's all about Mac. The only department at my uni (Arts Institute at Bournemouth) that doesn't use macs is Finance.
P.s. it is nice to have a reasonable and sensible conversation about this for once.
Panzer
I mean robustness in general.
For what is supposed to be an intuitive OS in general. itunes is on the failboat.
I can understand your argument stopstartstall, and yes, it would be odd Manchester not having the funds.
There's no doubting you can't do it all on a PC, but it seems weird (to me) how they wouldn't want to teach students on what is classed as "industry standard" hardware
Stupid though it may sound, it depends on the personal preference of the head of I.T. department sometimes too. Some years ago at Edgehill I overheard one of the I.T. lecturers having a go at Macs in general, saying if the department bought some in he'd quit his job.
Genuine question though, because as you know, that sort of example is used all the time: Why is it the case? Why are Macs considered superior for graphics work etc, when virtually all the major software (Adobe stuff, for starters) is available on PC?
I use my MBP for everything except telly and gaming which is where my windows desktop comes in. I think I use my MBP more also, fed up with all the hassle you have to put up with windows such as drivers and the rest.
On a mac you turn it on and everything just works. I've had my MBP for over a year with no OS crashes. My vista machine blue screens several times a week and I can't reactivate because I've installed new hardware. I just let the 30 days expire and do a reinstall (seriously).
On another note, I saw ppl bickering about iTunes earlier, who cares when you can download a copy of VLC for either platform! I only use itunes to put iTunes on my iPod.
On a mac you turn it on and everything just works. I've had my MBP for over a year with no OS crashes. My vista machine blue screens several times a week and I can't reactivate because I've installed new hardware. I just let the 30 days expire and do a reinstall (seriously).
On another note, I saw ppl bickering about iTunes earlier, who cares when you can download a copy of VLC for either platform! I only use itunes to put iTunes on my iPod.