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When a Console is better than your PC...

The main reason for me getting a console historically was exclusives
With Forza it'll be coming to PC anyway through the Windows Store

Now I'm focusing on getting a half capable machine.

I can get the Xbox exclusives and PC enjoyment all balled into one.

So for us on here - I don't see the point of it.

Rather invest in a Switch *gasp*
 
Oh I agree there, if you already have a decent 4k PC then this isn't worth it at all.

But at £449 it's far cheaper to buy this, than buy/build a 4k/60hz PC

And it's really small as well.

And it plays 4k UHD bluray rays.

But somebody said it's nearly 1080Ti money. Show me where I can get a 1080Ti for £449?
 
Similar boat here. I think my PC is now on the verge of needing to be upgraded, still handles all recent games great though (except the **** optimized ones or ones that are very heavy on the CPU like dayz, PUBG) but with all the newly announced titles at e3, I think it will be pretty limiting, especially my CPU (i5 750 @ 4GHz) more so since the newer consoles have more than 4 cores now....

Saying that a 290 is still pretty good for mostly max settings @ 60 fps @ 1920/2560 x1080 (just reduce shadows, AA and things like gameworks [which look crap imo anyway]) especially if dx 12/vulkan is involved.

For me the breaking point for going to consoles will come down to 2 things:

- how these new games play on release day for PC (if **** like most of the last year or 2 titles then **** PC)
- how good VEGA is (if **** then **** PC)

I got no problem paying lots of money for a beefy PC but only if it is worth it and imo, PC gaming just hasn't been for the last year or 2, certainly not worth the outlay of £800+ for a new system anyway unless you also use your PC for other things....

Biggest thing that puts me of consoles are that most games are still 30 fps, really wish they would target 1080P @ 60 fps instead of 4k..... and 16.9 (but 55" 4k HDR OLED will somewhat negate this)

As for consoles, much prefer the xbox one x (freesync 2, controller, more powerful, eco system etc.) but the ps4 pro still has the games.......
 
Woden said:
The XOX isn't a graphics card upgrade, it's the whole system. The difference between a £100 PC and a £500 it's huge.
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its basically an xbone with a small oc on the cpu, 4gb more ram and a 480/580 instead of a 7790. its decent but 4k(or dynamic)/30/medium aint my cup of tea, not to mention still no native mouse support
 
varkanoid said:
Asking about Xbox One x V PC in a PC only section is only ever going to come out with one answer..... ;)
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There is that of course!

And given the Xbox One X can't even come close to existing hardware let alone what's around the corner it's never going to impress these boards.

It's like showing a hot hatch to a formula 1 team at best it will cause amusement.

@masterrace
 
greatash said:
its basically an xbone with a small oc on the cpu, 4gb more ram and a 480/580 instead of a 7790. its decent but 4k(or dynamic)/30/medium aint my cup of tea, not to mention still no native mouse support
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I'm not arguing against that, im a PC gamer.

What I'm saying is you can't compare a Xbox one to a graphics card alone. You can play the Xbox straight away, the £500 GPU needs a pc attached to it, adding to the cost. For £500, the hardware is decent and will perform better than a £500 pc.

Obviously a £500 pc can do more than an xox, but it won't play games as well.
 
The thing is looking at all the games so far it is more like 4k High graphic fidelity whilst offering a very small footprint, a pretty decent eco system with 4k Blu-ray playback.

Yeah I have my PC downstairs for main 4K gaming, however I have a 4k TV in my bedroom and this now doubles up as my blu-ray player. Not only that I can be playing GoW or Forza or similar downstairs and then decide I want to head to bed to get out way or relax etc and I can carry on playing the same game where I left it since they are x-platform.

For £450 which in 6 months of release will come down to £350 it will be a good buy.
 
Woden said:
I'm not arguing against that, im a PC gamer.

What I'm saying is you can't compare a Xbox one to a graphics card alone. You can play the Xbox straight away, the £500 GPU needs a pc attached to it, adding to the cost. For £500, the hardware is decent and will perform better than a £500 pc.

Obviously a £500 pc can do more than an xox, but it won't play games as well.
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People will tell you a GTX 1070 is a much faster GPU, but the fact is that it's a closed system with harmonized specs means they can probably squeeze 50% more out of an XBox One X than an equivalent PC.
 
Don't forget the convenience of it.

How many people actually want to replace parts in their computer or even know where to start?

For many people I know for example, upgrade means buying a whole new PC. So, if you can pay £500 and get a thing you don't need to mess with, there's a market for that. I love my PC too much to give it up so that's not happening :)
 
PC Building used to frighten the life out of me - not sure why. Maybe because I had one in the 90's and the wire management from the PSU overwhelmed me? My only though

I only recently bought a load of old bits for a pittance on ebay to have a 'practice go'

Was easier than I expected :D
 
leon4112 said:
It does work out cheaper for a pc though tbh how much is it for a 10bit HDR 55" decent 4K tv these days just to use that's 500 quid Xbox?
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Ummm, people use TV's for more than just games :)

My 65" OLED was £2400. I use it for Sky Q, Blu-rays (and 4k UHD), Netflix, Playstation 4 Pro, Switch, Native 4k PC, Kodi etc.
 
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leon4112 said:
It does work out cheaper for a pc though tbh how much is it for a 10bit HDR 55" decent 4K tv these days just to use that's 500 quid Xbox?
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That is a silly argument. How much does a monitor cost as you would need that for either xbox or PC to get the same out of both.

More to the point, the masses are more likely to have a 4K TV compared to a 4K monitor.

Edit: I just brought a Panasonic DX700b 50" 4K HDR tv which picture is better than my 4K monitor. The TV was £479. My monitor at the time was £450 so even with just the fact the monitor does nothing else the price as such has been pretty much the same.
 
VincentHanna said:
People will tell you a GTX 1070 is a much faster GPU, but the fact is that it's a closed system with harmonized specs means they can probably squeeze 50% more out of an XBox One X than an equivalent PC.
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The console runs Windows 10, and it's x86. People will tell you a GTX1070 is a much faster GPU because it's a much faster GPU.

Taking an RX480, underclocking it and adding a few cores is not going to magically make it compete with a card which is 50~100% faster in games.

Especially when it's paired with a CPU which is perhaps on par with Piledriver IPC, with half the clocks.
 
VincentHanna said:
Ummm, people use TV's for more than just games :)

My 65" OLED was £2400. I use it for Sky Q, Blu-rays (and 4k UHD), Netflix, Playstation 4 Pro, Switch, Native 4k PC, Kodi etc.
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Yes but people also spent a lot on good 1080p TVs, when new I bought a top of the line panny for 2k but I'm not gonna jump on the 4K bandwagon and drop another 2k after a year or 2 as 4K is hardly massive right now to warrant it.

For example I bought a x34 predator but I bet that will outlast any tv I will buy but then I don't spend a lot of time watching tv anyways tbh.

I'll get a 4K tv at some point when I can be assed when the needs arise I would have thought but only when I spend more time inside to justify it.
 
It's amazing how much people under estimate the power of only having to develop for one/two locked in platforms... For PC, developers have to take into account thousands of possible combinations of hardware.


Regarding TVs, pretty much any decent high end TV for £500 will look far superior than any current monitor even in normal/SDR mode. For a gaming PC, you need to be spending at least £300 for a decent monitor and for IQ, it will still look trash compared to a TV, let alone a £1400 OLED 55" 4k HDR TV (I would actually say that an OLED TV paired with a PS 4 PRO/xbox 1 x would still look visually better than any game maxed on the PC on any current LCD monitor), only advantage of gaming monitors are 100+HZ (which is mainly only beneficial for low input lag, this will help motion clarity to if you hit the FPS but some TVs are superb for how they handle motion even with 30 FPS), free/g sync.

Of course, you can pair your PC to the TV too but it isn't easy for many people considering the size of "most" gaming PCs + most people have their gaming PCs in a different room to their main TV.

There is just no way you can build a complete PC that matches a xbox1x for £500, it just isn't doable, CPU, MB, RAM, GPU, 1TB hard drive, monitor, mouse + keyboard, windows OS, speakers/headphones, PSU, case.....
 
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Nexus18 said:
It's amazing how much people under estimate the power of only having to develop for one/two locked in platforms... For PC, developers have to take into account thousands of possible combinations of hardware.


Regarding TVs, pretty much any decent high end TV for £500 will look far superior than any current monitor even in normal/SDR mode. For a gaming PC, you need to be spending at least £300 for a decent monitor and for IQ and it will still look trash compared to a TV, let alone a £1400 OLED 55" 4k HDR TV (I would actually say that an OLED TV paired with a PS 4 PRO/xbox 1 x would still look visually better than any game maxed on the PC on any current LCD monitor).
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Yep, My OLED looks far far superior to my 34" Acer Predator x34a. Even 900p Zelda on switch looked really good on the OLED.

I only tend to use the Acer for gaming if something isn't playing nice with SLI/4k, as the G-sync smooths it out.
 
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