I would expect that's what manufacturers are doing when planning product development but such data is less readily available for people to easily utilise in online forum discussions in response to people who seem to believe every single car ever needs to be able to drive from Exeter to Edinburgh in one go.
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I would expect that's what manufacturers are doing when planning product development but such data is less readily available for people to easily utilise in online forum discussions in response to people who seem to believe every single car ever needs to be able to drive from Exeter to Edinburgh in one go.
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Omg you might have had to stop to charge ONCE in a month. Where does this say it’s not suitable exactly? I assume you are not a robot and need food.
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Omg you might have had to stop to charge ONCE in a month. Where does this say it’s not suitable exactly? I assume you are not a robot and need food.
Point is MX30 would work for a huge number of second car homes
Point is MX30 would work for a huge number of second car homes
It's funny you should mention that a colleague of mine bought a Zoe, one that's supposed to have 220+ mile range, he's gone full electrohead in a short space of a couple of months but was not really up on what impacts are etc, for the most part it has been brilliant for him but he does the Airport/Uni run a couple of times a month and he's finding that is it really 150 miles at real speeds and needing to charge it at unsavory hours is not an enjoyable experience.
He's not too bothered, the EV experience was a positive experience on the whole for him and is chopping it in for a Tesla now that will be more than capable.
Finding the real range of something is the tricky part, and what ever you are told, I find it hard to trust, you know what they say a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous
, I was at the Hyundai dealer in OXford yesterday to have a poke and prod before a buy, asking loads of questions of the Ioniq 5 N, the salesman was convinced it would do its 278 range figures at motorway speeds and less in winter etc. but that number is WLTP, what will I get for real and more so in the ideal NMC usable window, he was a little less clear.I'm with you here I'm one of those people who keeps the average low right now, but even in the past when my commute was a 200 mile round trip, I only did it 2 or 3 days a week because WFH other time, this also helps to keep average low and no doubt why it is low now because many people have Hybrid working that helps to bring the average mileage down but doesn't mean the journey length has reduced, just less journeys.
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You've completely missed my point, which was not 'Everyone needs 1000 mile range' or 'That car is useless'. I have absolutely no issue with the existence of small cars with limited electric range. As you probably know my most likely first electric car purchase will be an electric Mini, a car with a terrible electric range (but which would work really well!).
It was simply 'Average journey length doesn't really tell us much'.
As it happens, on my 400 mile trip I stopped multiple times for at least half an hour so could easily have charged an electric car. But that wasn't my point.
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On a related note, with two cars charging at home, do you just fit a second charger, is there any reason you can't, the other car is a PHEV with a tiny battery so it is latched most of the time end of the week like an addict getting its fix.
I may just use the granny one on the Volvo as it only does 3.6 on the charger anyway, 2.3 might be enough.
I may just use the granny one on the Volvo as it only does 3.6 on the charger anyway, 2.3 might be enough.
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Of course it points to that narrative. Those two trends taken together would indicate the majority of people doing mostly shorter journeys. Your posts would indicate you are looking at this from a purely personal perspective and that is not what averages are used for. That was the point in my sarcasm.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if average mileage over a year has gone down, but average trip length has gone up
That's what has happened with many people I know. Overall, less driving, but when they do drive, they drive further. Mostly driven by the fact that the most common shorter trip was the commute which many people do less often now.
Do you buy a car for your average use? Which is probably you, on your own, driving to work. So, on average, you should buy a 2 seater roadster
lol, show me you don’t understand averages by showing me you don’t understand averages.
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Don’t be mean.
Except that until recently, most people could get by with one vehicle that did everything they need. Now, an EV is very often mentioned as being a 'good second car', and that's largely down to the associated range/charger anxiety.
This is definitely the case with me. I do far fewer miles now but when I use the car, I need to be able to go 200-300 miles with only a brief stop part way through for a quick wee. I don't want to be forced into a half hour stop multiple times. I do a few small trips around town.
If anything, the range and lack of a decent charge network is becoming even more of a concern now.
The MX-30 courtesy car I had yesterday had a for sale board on the back seat. It's a 24 plate demonstrator model with just over 900 miles and they want £31,995 for it. I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that's a good purchase. It's absolutely bat**** crazy.
Apologies but as I stated above averages are not an indicator for “your” needs and are generally useless as a purchasing guide.
The 'good second car' thing is mostly a pre-emptive response to the 'but I need to drive a million miles without stopping once in a blue moon, oh my god this car would be utterly and totally useless to me at all times' type posts.
They'd also be perfectly good only cars for a lot of people but that's a level of understanding and acceptance of differing circumstances that some people just aren't ready for.
Imagine a world where the car market was a free market and we could just purchase whatever suited us best. There would be fewer arguments about electric cars between people who think they are great because they get them effectively free through work and cannot imagine anyone else feels differently and people who hate them because they can't tow a caravan to Spain twice a month and think everyone does the same thing and I think we'd all eventually end up getting to the point where most of us drive one through choice anyway because really, there is a lot to like about electric cars and there are numerous situations where they are simply better than any alternative.
But there remain situations where they are worse and likely always will be. What makes it complicated is the fact people are, like it or not, being pushed towards them regardless. They are being treated like the answer to every question.
But there remain situations where they are worse and likely always will be. What makes it complicated is the fact people are, like it or not, being pushed towards them regardless. They are being treated like the answer to every question.
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That’s a different mode…
Interesting .
I have a 200 mile ev, my wife has an ice.
Guess what we use for travelling around the UK in?
Yes the ev, zero range anxiety.
And the charge network has never been so good as at present.
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