When are you going fully electric?
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Has the car that fits all your needs really been a thing? All cars tend to be a compromise.
Get a large estate or SUV for those family holidays and your car is too big for some streets/roads/car parks. Get a small sporty car and it can’t be used as a family holiday wagon.
This was the point I was trying to make, it’s not that the MX-30 is a bad ‘second car’ it’s £30k+ for a pretty average Mazda. If it was good value, I wouldn’t question it.
If can afford to spaff £30+k on a average Mazda that will be worth £15k in 18 months, general running costs are probably not a concern either. You can get a lot of nice cars for £30k… even in electric guise on the used market.
New cars are expensive though, yes EVs slightly more so but it's not like the equivalent ICE stuff is cheap as chips in the world of new cars.
An MX-30 'Exclusive Line' is £29,995 RRP.
A CX-30 'Exclusive Line' is £28,665 RRP.
You can get a much nicer second hand car for £30k, sure, but that applies whether you're talking about the electric Mazda or the ICE Mazda really. Buying new cars has typically always been a great way to burn a lot of money very quickly.
An MX-30 'Exclusive Line' is £29,995 RRP.
A CX-30 'Exclusive Line' is £28,665 RRP.
You can get a much nicer second hand car for £30k, sure, but that applies whether you're talking about the electric Mazda or the ICE Mazda really. Buying new cars has typically always been a great way to burn a lot of money very quickly.
Where has anyone said short range EVs are the only alternative? You are now making up points nobody else made, just so you can rant against them.
Every car is a compromise, EV or not. They rarely if ever fit every need perfectly.
Never once did you need to get a delivery because it wouldn’t fit in the car. Never once did you have to ignore a parking spot because it was too tight, or because you didn’t want to risk your car getting hit? Never once did you have to do multiple runs because everything or everyone wouldn’t fit?
If the answer to this or any other such scenario is yes, then your car is a compromise.
Every one of those may be a very rare occurrence but it is similar to demanding an EV should be able to do 400 miles without stopping because you drive to Scotland once a year.
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Out of those, the only one I'd say 'yes' to is the parking spot but that's only when it's unmarked street parking. I've never ignored a marked spot because it's too tight. I spent years working in the city and the west end when it was still actually possible to park and I'm a demon at parking.
The others, no, never.
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Try it, say a car and ill tell you where its compromised.
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I've no idea. Where did I? My point was about electric cars generally and how they always turn into the same argument against two completely opposite point of views neither of which seem prepared to accept the middle ground.
Really?
Never seen a sentence like that in an anti electric car piece..
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But if you had a smaller old banger you didn’t care about then you could have used that unmarked street parking. I am of course using a ridiculous argument to highlight how illogical it is to dismiss EVs, just because you have to charge them on a longer trip you take once or twice a year.
Driving 400 miles in the UK takes about 8 hours. Is charging for 40 minutes (or less) such a massive compromise?
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Are you a median, i mean medium?Didn't you have a 4 cylinder diesel Ford Focus once?
The only thing that was claimed to start with here was that there is a place for cars with short range, in response to the idea that a short range EV was 'comedy'.
That's hardly denying the middle ground is it? It's very much the anti-EV 'they're all crap unless they can do everything ever' side of the fence engaging in that behaviour.
It's a 290 page thread covering a wide range of issues. I didn't quote anyone directly with that post, it was a general observation - the fact there was yet another argument about range might have prompted me but it stood alone and wasn't part of a claim which I have made clear multiple times I do not agree with (That there is no place for a car with short range).
May well drop the average down but with the average length of journey (not average per day) being 8.1 miles, your commute of 200 mile was already an outlier. With you doing that you need 45 other people all doing only 4 miles on their journey to get the average down to 8.1 again. You are still doing a 200 mile commute whether you do it 1 day per week of 5. You dropping the number of journeys per year will have helped drop the average miles per year as the stats show, down 1000 miles on 10 years ago but it doesnt change the average journey.
So perhaps the 100 mile EV is aiming their car at those 45 people majority not the minority like you?
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The stats say both have dropped
Nobody was saying you should buy an EV with a 100 mile range. The question was asked why on earth was manufacturers making them and who on earth would buy one.
Yes, I had it for 13 years and it did around 360,000 miles. It wasn't a compromise at all.Didn't you have a 4 cylinder diesel Ford Focus once?
Of course it was, it's probably one of the best examples of a good compromise car, otherwise it would have had a V6 in it.
The best all round cars compromise in some areas to provide benefits in others. A diesel Focus is compromised in terms of noise, refinement and performance in order to deliver efficiency and range.
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