Yeah the Explorer, Capri and Mach-e are all dedicated EV platforms. But two of them are really the same car with a different shell.
They need a proper smaller car size to compete properly. Not another mid size SUV.
When are you going fully electric?
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They need a proper smaller car size to compete properly. Not another mid size SUV.
It's the standard Puma platform (which I think is Ford's universal small car platform) modified for an EV drivetrain afaik
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I think they're also re-using the same'ish EV drivetrain for the new e-transit courier as well, i believe they're the units being made in Merseyside at the Halewood plant?
Yes correct. Same drive train.
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It’s the price on a P11D. The rest is irrelevant as it’s the monthlies.
Not sure I will ever understand how a powertrain is less efficient ‘because not ground up EV’. What’s exactly the issue ?
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I just don’t get it. Affordable pumas. Moaning. Expensive Jaguar. Moaning.
Did you look at the power output and compare ?
How. Have you driven both. Certainly it’s going to have better fuel costs !
1563kg so probably too light too??
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had scanned the autogefeul video and the 0-60 time @8s seemed slower than original id3, also fwd following it's ICE heritage ..
if it was 270ps (e: type performance) I'd have thought nice they've got the new efficient/powerful vag motor ... they could have detuned that though.
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As it wasn't built for an EV they need to squeeze it in. Hence the smaller batteries as there isn't much room for it all.
EV only platforms will always be better.
Only if you assume people continue to salary sacrifice as BIK increases. The low BIK rates have dragged in loads of people (like me) who ordinarily wouldn’t have a ‘company car’ and only do so because they are cheap. It’s massively distorting the market at the moment.
You’d expect the salary sacrifice market to decline as BIK increases and those buyers to go back to doing what they would ordinarily do before 2% BIK was ever a thing.
In any case, the Puma would need to be knocked out really cheap on the monthlies because it’s competitors come in at similar prices with a better package.
You’d only choose the Puma (assuming it met your needs) if you really like the styling, it was cheaper or you just did no research whatsoever and always just buy Ford because it’s a Ford.
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So ironically more efficient as they don’t weigh as much. Great point.
Did you see the size of the boot. It’s over 500l It’s huge. Anyway I mentioned efficiency not cabin space.
Smaller batteries also keeps it light
Well you are assuming price doesn’t matter as no one pays that. That wasn’t my point. And you assume people go back to non EV if BIK goes up? I doubt this. When BIK is 8% the P11D value IS important.
Also it stays below the 40k car. So versus a 60k EV the SS costs will be much lower per month making cars like this more appealing.
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No, I assume people will go back to buying cars in the way they did before the tax incentive was a thing (e.g. the finance arrangement, not the fuel type). Remember BIK on ICE is set to raise also.
For example, I will go back to buying used cars.
It’s important but only if you assume people continue to salary sacrifice, they won’t because it becomes less affordable.
Salary sacrifice leases are generally not very competitive with what’s available in the wider market due to their relative captive market. It’s generally cheaper because of the tax incentive. Remove the tax incentive and the market will shift back towards what happened before the incentive was a thing.
The P11D value is very similar to its competitors (e.g. an ID.3 or a Mokka) so it’s not really a defining factor. In any case, it just forms part of the monthlies and that final number is all that the vast majority of customers care about.
40k is only relevant for VED. I’m also not sure what you are getting at comparing a 60k car vs a 30k car, the two are aimed at completely different purchasers and their respective quality expectations. If you are considering a Puma, you probably are not also considering a long range Polstar 2 with most of the trimmings.
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Yes and the the base price of the lease on the vast majority of cars I priced through the portal was considerably higher than what I could get by going private after factoring in the other relevant costs costs (insurance, servicing etc.) I’d need to pay on a private lease/PCP.
The difference in price between private and SS after the tax incentive isn’t anything like you’d expect given how much tax you are meant to be saving.
It was only competitive because of the tax incentive. When you reduce (and eventually remove) the tax incentive, you take away their pricing advantage. It will not take much to swing things back in favour of taking the cash and buying your own car as it was before. Yes it will take a lot more at if you are in the 60% marginal band due to the silly tax system but that not really impacting the vast majority of the salary sacrifice market.
I feel like I’m repeating myself.
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