Soldato
Really? I’ve never owned a car where I can reach the passenger vent but then again I’ve usually owned big cars
I guess on a clio it could be possible.
When are you going fully electric?
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I guess on a clio it could be possible.
Soldato
Yeah but on a model 3 this isn’t too much of a concern once you know where everything is it’s instinctive. The car will do most of the driving anyway
(this is the big part all of the screen haters seem to miss)how often does one press the buttons on a car anyway. All of the climate buttons are useless as on most cars these days it’s automatic.
Soldato
Yeah but on a model 3 this isn’t too much of a concern once you know where everything is it’s instinctive. The car will do most of the driving anyway
how often does one press the buttons on a car anyway. All of the climate buttons are useless as on most cars these days it’s automatic.
I'm not a screen hater I have virtual cockpit
I can do the vast majority of the things from my drivers stalks/steering wheel, There are about 5-6 buttons in my car, including the emergency hazard, start stop, rear spoiler override etc
Climate is in the air vents themselves
In 30 years driving I cant think of a single time I have needed to adjust the passenger air vent. The rest i can reach and find in the dark without taking my eyes of the road, I agree you cant say that for a stereo on much more than turning the volume up
But its all done on stalks by or on the steering wheel for me. I hardly have to move either my hands nor my eyes, just up down like you do with checking the speedo
When I drive my other halves BMW it feels far more distracting from the road to look to the centre, very off putting compared to mine
So I totally get screens, its just most of them put them in the wrong place, they should be in front of the driver
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What?
My PC isn't touch screen and I can add features later on.
What does the input method have to do with that? It's just software, irrespective of whether its controlled via touch or a controller?
Soldato
Some features will be hard to integrate by touch I guess? For example my M3 increased the amount of street lights etc that were visible and it lets you swipe around the car to see what the car can see. This feature was installed after delivery IIRC and I can't see that being easily added using a controller.
Touch also allows much quicker interactivity that with dial or keyboard.
The dial was innovative at the turn of the century but technology and expectations have moved on somewhat. (have you ever tried to type using a dial? an onscreen keyboard is way easier)
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Soldato
Did you really just ask that?Touch screens are difficult and clumsy to use while moving. That's the issue and there is no fix for that.
You can't feel your way around like you can with a button so have to take eyes off the road (which is why they banned phone use while driving). You can't use them with gloves on either as most are capacitive screens.
You can't feel your way around like you can with a button so have to take eyes off the road (which is why they banned phone use while driving). You can't use them with gloves on either as most are capacitive screens.
Soldato
Which ones did you use that you struggled with?
The ones that you can't use without taking your eyes off the road maybe such as my Galaxy S10+?
Touch has been around for about 20 years in one form or another? I wouldn't be surprised if it gets banned eventually & to be honest it ought to be, you aren't watching the road whilst you are fiddling with a screen.
Touch will give way to voice (which has also been around for two decades in even a basic form) & then we can bin the crappy iPads & go back to a properly designed interior.
Soldato
Even if touch went away, doesn't mean the big screen will go anywhere, after all it isn't just an input device.
Soldato
Oh sorry I mean in a car.
People are copying tesla by having a touchscreen as the main control of a car. I think Merc have done it with the new S.
I dont think the screens will go if voice takes over as information still needs to be shown somehow.
Touch screens have been in cars for about 20 years to control things like Nav, climate, & stereo functions etc
Oh yeah, screens will still exist, but ideally in the instrument cluster where they don't look nasty & maybe a smaller one centrally that passengers can see. I don't have an issue with screens themselves, just the massive things slapped in the centre with no thought put in at all. I honestly think touch should be disabled when in motion or at the very least some form of detection put in place so that if the driver doesn't have 2 hands on the wheel it won't respond.
Because the whole "mobile phone generation". It's seen as fashionable and is what the 1990s kids think is futuristic. But it isn't very functional.
Touch screens were never really meant for that kind of application. They aren't even remotely ergonomic to use.
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Soldato
Boring. Change the record Masher
Soldato
Airline pilots aren't going to hit something if they take their eyes off the window for a few seconds.
I bet they don't fiddle with it while landing...
What do you think is superior about a touch screen compared physical buttons from a functionality point of view in a car? It's a toy.
Not much chance of an airbus knocking a 5 year old kid down who runs into the road whilst the pilot is fiddling with a touch screen at 32,000 feet?
touch screen also lays itself open to single point failure versus multiple switches --- this has got be a bit scary on the motorway at 70 - don't panic.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-investigation-mcu-touchscreen-emmc-failure/
Read the nhtsa recommendations on touch screen interfaces - how many do the manufacturers adopt
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/812360_humanfactorsdesignguidance.pdf
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-investigation-mcu-touchscreen-emmc-failure/
Read the nhtsa recommendations on touch screen interfaces - how many do the manufacturers adopt
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/812360_humanfactorsdesignguidance.pdf
It creates another single point of failure and adds extra clicks to do things. In the IT world that is considered counter productive.
As for those Tesla units, expect most of them to fail eventually. Once these things start to go, they often all go.
As for those Tesla units, expect most of them to fail eventually. Once these things start to go, they often all go.
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