Soldato
Jeez you were giving it the beans! I did a motorway drive a couple of weeks ago and did 50 miles with 23% usage with an M3P.
When are you going fully electric?
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Heavy right foot I guess, more so on acceleration because hey why have a M3P if you can't enjoy the zoom from 0
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Seems Nio are now actively looking to install battery swap stations in the UK, so I am guessing they will be launching their cars over here very soon.
Their cars do look like an interesting proposition however, battery swap stations are the once piece of EV tech that I think try to solve a problem that could be more easily solved. It's a very bespoke system that is really quite complex, particularly if multiple models are going to be supported. I also noted that they seem to be manned and only work when the operator is present.
Compared to the alternative which involves just putting in more chargers in the right locations would be much cheaper and achieve a similar results. They are a great tech demo but I don't see them being used in the long run.
I'll be prepared to eat my words on that one in 5-10 years.
Compared to the alternative which involves just putting in more chargers in the right locations would be much cheaper and achieve a similar results. They are a great tech demo but I don't see them being used in the long run.
I'll be prepared to eat my words on that one in 5-10 years.
Soldato
A Tech demo which has 1200+ stations and has done more than 10 million swaps in China?
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Soldato
Perhaps you'll find two tiers of BEV owners, those who don't mind spending time charging when they have to do it, and those that already find spending 5 minutes filling up with a petroleum based product is to long. I suppose it may be a bit of a USP for those on long distances regularly, 5-10 minute turnaround, especially if they have any at MSA's where there do it while you wait for and take a bathroom break/get refreshments and then park it in a completed bay for you.
They could certainly settle on a standard if they have enough users that other manufacturers may want to take on
from what he wrote he'd done 2*110miles ? down to 20%
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South Korea fines Tesla $2.2 mln for exaggerating driving range of EVs
South Korea's antitrust regulator said it would impose a 2.85 billion won ($2.2 million) fine on Tesla Inc for failing to tell its customers about the shorter driving range of its electric vehicles (EVs) in low temperatures.
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Soldato
That would make sense
Perhaps a 'tech demo' is not giving it the credit it deserves. It still requires a fairly controlled environment and with a small selection of vehicles which all use a standard battery pack. The packs are up to 100KWh, that simply doesn't fit in a lot of cars on the road in Europe. The other thing to note is the battery lease model was a failure in the Europe and that's pretty much a requirement for this to work.
Perhaps, it will also come down to cost. A battery swap will be more expensive than a rapid charge if its sold as an arms length transaction. On top of the (multiple) rapid chargers, you need the swap station and 14 spare batteries.
NIO is burning through money at the moment which is understandable given they are building out. What's not entirely clear how much it will actually cost when they need to make a profit.
They are trying to licence it out to other manufactures and that's the only way I can see it taking off the the masses, otherwise their are just too many manufactures building too many platforms to make it work. That's the elephant in that room, is it a good idea to have the fundamental elements of all future vehicles to be licenced from Nio. At the end of the day, the Chinese government's almost unlimited money pit is why they have been able to do what they do.
2023 no different. The app designer needs to be punished.Guy's I think I need your support. We need to:
1. Hunt down whoever coded the Pug app
2. Hunt down whoever QA'ed the Pug app
3. Hunt down whoever UAT'ed the Pug app
4. Murder them
The thing is absolute garbage. Invariably it doesn't work. It constantly logs out. And the last few days I have had cabin pre-heat on which for some reason interrupts the scheduled charge (00:30 start, you can't set an end time) despite them being scheduled 7 hours apart...........................FML.
The car has a deferred charge schedule @ 00:30. Simples. Woke up the last two days to about 20 pence worth of charge going in. Super annoying.
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A Bone-Stock Mazda Miata Completed a 1,000-Mile UK Road Trip Using Synthetic Fuel
The Miata was also able to lap multiple tracks around the UK during the road trip.
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Soldato
£6 a litre.
Bit of a stretch that statement.
Bit of a stretch that statement.
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Would you be happy to pay around £6 per litre (before tax) to drive it though?I would be look forward to this instead of EV.A Bone-Stock Mazda Miata Completed a 1,000-Mile UK Road Trip Using Synthetic Fuel
The Miata was also able to lap multiple tracks around the UK during the road trip.
People often say solar farms are taking up extremely valuable farmland while people are starving around the world. It’s funny how they don’t mention that when it comes to synthetic fuels which will keep the fossil fuels companies alive for a bit longer. #tinfoilhat
Edit: too slow!
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Soldato
They should ban alcohol to stop people starving. Imagine food prices!
Have you ignored ethanol production. That’s mentioned lots. But not sure Solar is
Nope, I haven’t ignored it.
If you’ve never seen that argument used against a solar farm then I’m not sure what else to say. It’s literally the one argument every group uses when they oppose the next solar farm going in and every single one is opposed for that reason.
It’s used by both environmentalists and non-environmentalists when it’s convenient which is the funny part. Those that don’t want E10 use it because they prefer their dino juice pure and the NIMBYs that campaign against solar farms use it because ‘the environment’.
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Fuel vs food regarding ethanol has been going on years so yes it has been mentioned in the context of fossil fuels. Let’s be honest. Solar farms are a bit of a crap idea in this country anyway and you can’t burn electrons
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Plus it still produces NOx emissions so it’s a no go for road use.
So does a gas boiler