When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 Apr 2023 at 14:52

Troezar said:
It seems a large number were buying GPU's

I think it was the more well off people IMHO. It was lots of free money for them they just wasted. Shame not all of us got free money! :rolleyes:

Twinz · 28 Apr 2023 at 15:20

Minusorange said:
I don't understand this, the US all got covid bailouts which most people ended up putting into the stock market, stocks have continued to rise so they can't have been taking out any of that money so where has it gone if nobody has any emergency funds (I would class stock assets as emergency funds as it's quite easy to cash out when needed) or is stock liquidity not counted ?

I don't think most people bought stocks. I'm sure there's a mix of what different people chose to do with their "free money", but some people make poor choices.

BennoUK · 28 Apr 2023 at 16:34

Twinz said:
I don't think most people bought stocks. I'm sure there's a mix of what different people chose to do with their "free money", but some people make poor choices.

It would have found its way into lots of items, cars, houses, jacuzzis, bikes, exercise equipment all had bumper sales. You would be surprised how reckless large parts of the population can be in terms of spending money they haven’t got. We had similar over here with bounce back loans going into the housing market.

eddyr · 28 Apr 2023 at 17:20

Noticing some small price drops for the bank holiday weekend on certain 6600/6700 class GPU's, about £10-20 off (the cheaper model variants) on Ocuk and elsewhere.

gpuerrilla · 28 Apr 2023 at 19:04

Well reading this is quite comical if we were led to believe that components are causing the price hikes.

In 2022 the memory division accounted for 55 percent of profits..That company-leading memory division is exactly what tanked this quarter, posting a loss of 4.58 trillion Korean won ($3.4 billion)...
Samsung chose to stockpile chips to fend off a possible shortage. Now sales are down, and while some memory vendors saw this coming and cut production, Samsung didn't, and now it's facing a glut of unsold chips and lower prices.

Troezar · 28 Apr 2023 at 19:16

gpuerrilla said:
Well reading this is quite comical if we were led to believe that components are causing the price hikes.

Time to keep an eye on prices, they always go back up

Calin Banc · 2 May 2023 at 11:03

gpuerrilla said:
Well reading this is quite comical if we were led to believe that components are causing the price hikes.

Bullwhip effect.

the_jetsetwilly · 2 May 2023 at 12:15

4080 FE price is a bit lower now?

gpuerrilla · 2 May 2023 at 12:34

Videocardz:

The price change is likely not related to NVIDIA’s change of heart, but rather the weakening US dollar exchange rates.
...
NVIDIA was very reluctant to lower the price for their flagship RTX 4090/4080 series, but given the market slowdown, further price adjustment might be inevitable.

TNA · 2 May 2023 at 13:18

the_jetsetwilly said:
4080 FE price is a bit lower now?

Yea. £20 apparently. Quick, order now before it goes out of stock!

Alt0153 · 2 May 2023 at 13:27

TNA said:
Yea. £20 apparently. Quick, order now before it goes out of stock!

man i should have waited 5 months and i could have saved £20!

iron_monkey · 2 May 2023 at 13:31

Stick another 0 on and i might start getting interested.

nomadd · 2 May 2023 at 14:07

iron_monkey said:
Stick another 0 on and i might start getting interested.

£15,790 for a 4090? Nah, that's a tad too much, even for Har-wang.

0h_no_not_again · 2 May 2023 at 14:18

gpuerrilla said:
Well reading this is quite comical if we were led to believe that components are causing the price hikes.

There are still some real difficulties with sourcing components, it is mostly limited to power silicon, e.g. MOSFETs, power management ICs, etc.
However, memory is at record low prices, PCBs are fine, inductors and capacitors are difficult to source, but pricing is fine.

So yeah, pricing is just NV trying to change their market segment pricing. The proof is so trivial to see, compare the PCBAs of the 3060ti with the 4070ti. They're nearly identical. There is slightly more cost per mm^2 in the die, but that will have come down again with hugely reduced cutting edge node demand. Otherwise, the PCBA is either cheaper or the same cost...

TNA · 2 May 2023 at 14:51

Alt0153 said:
man i should have waited 5 months and i could have saved £20!

Exactly. Ahahahahaha

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 May 2023 at 14:51

0h_no_not_again said:
There are still some real difficulties with sourcing components, it is mostly limited to power silicon, e.g. MOSFETs, power management ICs, etc.
However, memory is at record low prices, PCBs are fine, inductors and capacitors are difficult to source, but pricing is fine.

So yeah, pricing is just NV trying to change their market segment pricing. The proof is so trivial to see, compare the PCBAs of the 3060ti with the 4070ti. They're nearly identical. There is slightly more cost per mm^2 in the die, but that will have come down again with hugely reduced cutting edge node demand. Otherwise, the PCBA is either cheaper or the same cost...

The components are much cheaper to get hold off now China is opening up. In some other industries they have basically mentioned this.

But if you look at how cheaply made the RTX4070 is made it is hilarious. Yet people defend this still!!

RTX3070 vs RTX4070 vs RTX3080 coolers

RTX3070

RTX4070

RTX3080

The RTX3080 used a vapour chamber and has a massive heatsink with two fans. The RTX3070 has a bigger heatsink with two fans. The RTX4070 cooler looks very cheap - even cheaper than the cooler used in the RTX2060FE:

RTX3070 vs RTX4070 vs RTX3080 PCB

The PCB of the RTX4070 looks much cheaper and simpler than an RTX3070,RTX3080 or even an RTX2060!

RTX3070 PCB

RTX4070 PCB

RTX3080 PCB

RTX2060 PCB

Yet,there are people celebrating how great the RTX4070 is! :cry:

gpuerrilla · 2 May 2023 at 16:36

Exactly so when there is talk of R&D and "costs" its not always the case is it? If the cooler is same dimensions, pcb same just relocating a part or orientation - these costs are trivial at the manufacturing level. What might cost 25p per unit from factory change seems to be lets 1000x the cost at the consumer end and plop in a sachet of dry lube for good measure. The stages in the chain they can plan ahead and drill down to the nearest screw for detail and save a fortune over time. They deliberately hide the costs of all this as then you would know how much it really is to make a single unit and there is plenty of margin even if you were generous on their overheads.

0h_no_not_again · 2 May 2023 at 17:25

gpuerrilla said:
Exactly so when there is talk of R&D and "costs" its not always the case is it? If the cooler is same dimensions, pcb same just relocating a part or orientation - these costs are trivial at the manufacturing level. What might cost 25p per unit from factory change seems to be lets 1000x the cost at the consumer end and plop in a sachet of dry lube for good measure. The stages in the chain they can plan ahead and drill down to the nearest screw for detail and save a fortune over time. They deliberately hide the costs of all this as then you would know how much it really is to make a single unit and there is plenty of margin even if you were generous on their overheads.

Sure, you've got your NRE (non-recoverable engineering) costs that need to be amortised over a product. Usually you try and make each product pay for itself.
It'd be interesting to see how much NV invest into the design of each die. I suspect the design for consumer GPUs is heavily "subidised" by the datacentre products that make huge margins and are great for developing new technologies.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 May 2023 at 17:46

gpuerrilla said:
Exactly so when there is talk of R&D and "costs" its not always the case is it? If the cooler is same dimensions, pcb same just relocating a part or orientation - these costs are trivial at the manufacturing level. What might cost 25p per unit from factory change seems to be lets 1000x the cost at the consumer end and plop in a sachet of dry lube for good measure. The stages in the chain they can plan ahead and drill down to the nearest screw for detail and save a fortune over time. They deliberately hide the costs of all this as then you would know how much it really is to make a single unit and there is plenty of margin even if you were generous on their overheads.

There is a technical term for this devised by tech companies for people defending all this nonsense:

P=Personal
C=Computer
M=Marketing
R=Race

C=Completely
O=Organised
P=****
E=Extraction

Also known as PCMR COPE. PCMR COPE is a proven way to get cretins to believe anything they spin,and run away to the bank.

First experimental versions were tried on the fans of a certain Fruity company,but it started to wear off in recent years. But the new improved variants seem to be working really well on GaMeRz!

Calin Banc · 2 May 2023 at 18:26

Is funny to see how the apologetic reasons go around and around from R&D, BOM, logistics and so on. Is like seeing the lambs argue to why they should be willingly sacrifice for the grater good of the wolf or people arguing for lower wages, higher bills, more working hours, less holidays and so on. Unbelievable.