When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

[NZXT30]

Holy holy! That is some really interesting data! It does suggest NV are going to have to drop prices to start shifting inventory - it costs a lot to store semi's and they have a finite lifespan.

The can just ship any extra inventory to data centres. Nvidia is a lost cause until AI has it's dot com moment.

 

[markoboyo11]

The can just ship any extra inventory to data centres. Nvidia is a lost cause until AI has it's dot com moment.

Why arnt they already doing so if they can?

 

[Troezar]

As a service to your fellow OC posters, the next time you intend to buy something do let us know so we can buy it a few days later after it has dropped in price!

Better late than never . I bought 32GB Kingston Fury Best 6000MHz CL36 £125 and two SN770 1TB £65 and 2TB £115.

 

[NZXT30]

It is less power than a console for sure. 65% of all gamers run games at 1080p,and most dual monitor setups are dual 1080p monitors.

Blizzard Activision makes games,which are mostly cartoony,and made to run reasonably well on a range of hardware.

Also Blizzard Activision for decades was mostly a PC only company. Things like WoW,the Diablo and StarCraft series are PC staples(the first Diablo had a PS port).

The fact that consoles still make a big amount of revenue is not a positive indication of anything. They literally moved into consoles to just get a few extra sales,and it ended up for a few years going the other way which shocked me.

You're mixing up a few decades, a dozen studios, a few different console generations and a bygone Blizzard.

COD is the biggest console franchise in history and Activision making more money on PC before Diablo 4 is even out is an industry shock.

The average PC is still more powerful than the average console which is the Switch or the PS4.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You're mixing up a few decades, a dozen studios, a few different console generations and a bygone Blizzard.

COD is the biggest console franchise in history and Activision making more money on PC before Diablo 4 is even out is an industry shock.

The average PC is still more powerful than the average console which is the Switch or the PS4.

 

[NZXT30]

I was only playing call of duty 1 on my PC a couple of years ago... It was 20 years ago mate, a lifetime away.

It happens with age I understand, easy to get things mixed up.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Contrary to what some out of touch people in this forum believe PC gaming has become too popular so everyone is trying to make an extra buck.

From £2000 GPUs to £300 gaming keyboards and headsets. So if you want to help the situation and get prices to come down by all means switch to consoles.

I was only playing call of duty 1 on my PC a couple of years ago... It was 20 years ago mate, a lifetime away.

It happens with age I understand, easy to get things mixed up.

I can see that as you seem to have a very short attention span,and seem to be getting cranky!

Better late than never

. I bought 32GB Kingston Fury Best 6000MHz CL36 £125 and two SN770 1TB £65 and 2TB £115.

Yep. The downturn in sales has meant lots of massive reductions in parts. Even seen some of the COD branded gamer SSDs get reduced a lot too(not that I see the point). Even starting to see motherboard prices drop,which is not surprising.

Lots of reductions on peripherals,ie,mice,keyboards and headsets. All over the deal websites.

Might stock up on some spares.

Why arnt they already doing so if they can?

Not enough VRAM.

 

[KompuKare]

Not enough VRAM.

See there was a reason why when I mentioned the AD102 professional card, L40, I did not mention that it had twice of much of that substance which graphics have but which had better not mention.

Even for someone who only ever buys 4090 - and would buy NVIDIA L40 or similar workstation cards with the full die if only Nvidia released those with full clocks.

See? Not a mention of it having 48GB of something-or-other which may-or-may-not start with the letter which the Dutch say is doubled in "W"!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

See there was a reason why when I mentioned the AD102 professional card, L40, I did not mention that it had twice of much of that substance which graphics have but which had better not mention.

See? Not a mention of it having 48GB of something-or-other which may-or-may-not start with the letter which the Dutch say is doubled in "W"!

Shhhh! Don't mention the war!

 

[Calin Banc]

This is what Steam considers the "average" gaming PC:


It is less power than a console for sure. 65% of all gamers run games at 1080p,and most dual monitor setups are dual 1080p monitors.

Blizzard Activision makes games,which are mostly cartoony,and made to run reasonably well on a range of hardware.

Also Blizzard Activision for decades was mostly a PC only company. Things like WoW,the Diablo and StarCraft series are PC staples(the first Diablo had a PS port).

The fact that consoles still make a big amount of revenue is not a positive indication of anything. They literally moved into consoles to just get a few extra sales,and it ended up for a few years going the other way which shocked me.

Is good to see that in the wider context. That PC was good enough for last gen consoles titles, especially at 1080p. On that 1650 I saw TLOU running on youtube, not great, but runs...
For current gen consoles, similar systems PCs didn't have the time window to buy new hardware. covid + mining bubble made it worse and now both vendors are playing chicken with the customers.

Anyway, is also a bit of egg and chicken kind of situation, even if hw would be relatively cheap, there aren't a great deal of games that push things truly to warrant an upgrade. Even for what we have now there is still much we can do to improve visuals, but is left untapped.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Is good to see that in the wider context. That PC was good enough for last gen consoles titles, especially at 1080p. On that 1650 I saw TLOU running on youtube, not great, but runs...
For current gen consoles, similar systems PCs didn't have the time window to buy new hardware. covid + mining bubble made it worse and now both vendors are playing chicken with the customers.

Anyway, is also a bit of egg and chicken kind of situation, even if hw would be relatively cheap, there aren't a great deal of games that push things truly to warrant an upgrade. Even for what we have now there is still much we can do to improve visuals, but is left untapped.

True,but improvements in the mainstream will generally help either way,because it does help push the minimum spec PCs up a bit. It will give devs a higher minimum target to aim for in a few years time.

 

[Hedge]

You're mixing up a few decades, a dozen studios, a few different console generations and a bygone Blizzard.

COD is the biggest console franchise in history and Activision making more money on PC before Diablo 4 is even out is an industry shock.

The average PC is still more powerful than the average console which is the Switch or the PS4.

Your average PC is now more dependent on average console ports than ever now.

We can continue to justify £1600 gpus whilst sucking on the teat of PS5 devs .

Pcs need to start offering comparable gaming experiences for under £500 all in. That used to be doable in older generations but now it's laughable. A ps5 is nearly 3 years old and the landscape in the pc market can barely compete.

 

[Grim5]

You're mixing up a few decades, a dozen studios, a few different console generations and a bygone Blizzard.

COD is the biggest console franchise in history and Activision making more money on PC before Diablo 4 is even out is an industry shock.

The average PC is still more powerful than the average console which is the Switch or the PS4

That's a silly statement. Most games in development are not released on ps4 anymore. Just cause someone has a old Nokia somewhere doesn't mean software needs to support it.

As for the Switch, most of its games are exclusives, exclusive indies or mobile phone game ports so you should be comparing it to an iPhone and not a PC

 

[Purgatory]

Lots of reductions on peripherals,ie,mice,keyboards and headsets. All over the deal websites.

Might stock up on some spares.

Microsoft has even left the peripherals market this year and will not be making mice,keyboards, webcams etc anymore so no more MS in that market that clearly has become overcrowded with gaming peripherals and cheaper standard gear that people are clearly buying too.

The PC market as a whole is going threw some changes again and sadly seems to be going backward as it was in the past with very expensive niche products being the focus these days.

Strange times and things most of us old folks didn't think would be the case as technology was meant to get cheaper over time and more powerful, but now we pay for the power and in Nvidia's case and the gpu market in general you pay by the frame now and not seeing any real value updating as you are basically paying the difference for the extra performance. Where in the past the performance uplift was expected and a price drop.. Ohh well new world and all that and I see all of this come crashing down on these companies and the governments of the world causing a lot of our issues in daily life.

History will look back at these times and say how did they go so wrong.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

@Purgatory Didn't realise MS has stopped making peripherals!

 

[Calin Banc]

True,but improvements in the mainstream will generally help either way,because it does help push the minimum spec PCs up a bit. It will give devs a higher minimum target to aim for in a few years time.

It would help to have better hardware, at least devs would target and implement more freely RT/PT.

At the same time, weaker hardware means they'll need to focus more on optimization and not use brute force as a crutch.

Consoles have their own performance problems, series S doesn't even have RT in the last SW game. Is not great there as well and I wouldn't be too surprised if they become de facto, not that far into the future, more like 1080p and lower machines which will be "fixed" by more powerful hardware (and thus consoles get caught in the same upgrade race like a PC).

 

[0h_no_not_again]

The can just ship any extra inventory to data centres. Nvidia is a lost cause until AI has it's dot com moment.

Sadly, the silicon has become quite specialised, and the dies made for consumer segments have little application in the enterprise segment. Further, enterprise parts generally go through a more rigorous binning and "burn-in" test, to give higher confidence in the results. If your GPU corrupts some textures, it's no big deal. If a compute card in a huge cluster corrupts some data, you're going to have a really bad day

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It would help to have better hardware, at least devs would target and implement more freely RT/PT.

At the same time, weaker hardware means they'll need to focus more on optimization and not use brute force as a crutch.

Consoles have their own performance problems, series S doesn't even have RT in the last SW game. Is not great there as well and I wouldn't be too surprised if they become de facto, not that far into the future, more like 1080p and lower machines which will be "fixed" by more powerful hardware (and thus consoles get caught in the same upgrade race like a PC).

But the issue is that a GTX1650 is weaker than even the £250 XBox Series S(a 20% slower RX5500XT) ,and it has an 8 core Zen2 CPU. That is still better than the average Steam pc. A £100 card should demolish it by now. Nvidia is still selling 5 year old cards,and the AMD/Intel equivalents are rebranding old performance.

Devs can't keep optimisng for slow hardware for ever and even the XBox Series S was cheaper than the equivalent PC graphics card until the last year(but not as a whole system). Most gamers buy prebuilt systems, and it's almost three years later. Within two years of the XBox 360 and PS3 we had the 8800GT and HD3850 which demolished the consoles for under $250. The consoles were $400 to $600.

The consoles have an RX6700/RX6700XT class dGPU with access to more than 8GB of VRAM and SSD VRAM cache. Where are the sub £350 dGPUs that demolish the consoles? After three years we still appear to be stuck on 8GB cards, and a lot of the top ten graphics cards on steam are not faster. The 8800GT was probably twice as fast as the console graphics cards.

Nvidia does not care and AMD is rebranding slightly better performance since 2019.

Most of the gamers I know buy mainstream hardware. It's simply not good enough now if we want more technical advancement.Even non technical gamers are waking up to this.

 

[Murphy]

If your GPU corrupts some textures, it's no big deal. If a compute card in a huge cluster corrupts some data, you're going to have a really bad day

I knew it, they put Skynet in charge of the nukes, ain't they.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Better late than never . I bought 32GB Kingston Fury Best 6000MHz CL36 £125 and two SN770 1TB £65 and 2TB £115.

Seen some Corsair equivalent RAM for under £100 now!