Then quite simply, they're not going to make money this generation
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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
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Then quite simply, they're not going to make money this generation
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It's a throwing the dummy out the pram move. No one is buying at their prices so they just won't make any then, see how you like that consumers.
In a normal market if a company makes a bad product you just buy an alternative from a competitor, problem is there is little alternative here because AMDs products are non existent too.
It doesn't make sense. Every other area of PC building is competitive be it CPUs, RAM, cases, accessories. What the hell has happened in the GPU space for this mess to be the situation.
I'm just surprised that AMD have such success in the CPU space but can't apply the same level of engineering prowess in the GPU space. They seriously need to look into upping their game in RT core and AI core space. Until AMD cards can keep up or exceed Nvidia in RT they not a player.
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Don't think its been shared:
When it settles a few months from now, I wonder how many punters chose discounted Radeon cards.
When it settles a few months from now, I wonder how many punters chose discounted Radeon cards.
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Massive temp difference there too
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They have to be fair and these things don't just happen over night. I think RDNA3 is AMD's gen 1 Ryzen moment. Give them a gen or 2 to improve one their chiplet design and I believe they will be competing again. (Hopefully
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but in many (most these days) cases software can read serial number of the device, which you can't change usually as the user. That's ram, CPU, GPU motherboard, SSD etc. So at least all major components are covered. And SN are supposed to be unique. Often simple windows CMD or powershell command gives you that ability.
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Don't know if anyone has seen these articles - some of the info in them is new to me anyway:
"Consoles still have one big advantage, and it’s hurting PC gaming"
www.digitaltrends.com
www.digitaltrends.com
"Consoles still have one big advantage, and it’s hurting PC gaming"
Consoles still have an advantage, and it's hurting PC gaming | Digital Trends
There's no doubt that modern PC hardware vastly outpaces what consoles can offer, but there's still an area where the PS5 and Xbox Series X have a lead.
www.digitaltrends.com
"The surprising reason your powerful PC still can’t handle the latest games"
Why your powerful PC still can't handle the latest games | Digital Trends
New games are pushing even powerful last-gen GPUs to their limits and exposing a big problem with graphics cards: VRAM limits.
www.digitaltrends.com
I am. However as has been said many times now they can be changed and they're not unique.
It's long term tactic to uphold high prices and profit margins. They had perfect storm of COVID and crypto craze to pump prices up and they will hold them up even if they lose huge amount of sale initially. Otherwise, if they drop prices now, they won't have excuse to push them back up. So now it's voting with the wallet long term as the only option to say no, till vendors capitulate.
It's long term tactic to uphold high prices and profit margins. They had perfect storm of COVID and crypto craze to pump prices up and they will hold them up even if they lose huge amount of sale initially. Otherwise, if they drop prices now, they won't have excuse to push them back up. So now it's voting with the wallet long term as the only option to say no, till vendors capitulate.
Not an easy task to change sn in many devices and if you combine a few, you have unique computer.
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I didn't say it was easy, i said it can be done and they're not unique.
I'm not denying that HWID bans are a thing or that data gathered from hardware devices installed in a PC are used to create a unique ID, what I'm saying is that what Eddie99 said, that a graphics card can be banned so if you buy a second-hand one you may find yourself getting banned for cheating, is wrong.
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But it simply doesn't make sense. What would you rather have, 100% margin and sell 100 items or 10% margin and sell thousands.
£500 GPU to make, sell 1,000 at £1500, £1000 margin on each one = profit £1 million.
£500 GPU to make, sell 10,000 at £800, only £300 margin on each one but you've made a profit of £3 million.
Any shareholder who prefers the first one is an idiot.
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How communist of you. Thats not how Nvidia work
There is another possibility, which is that consumer chips gets the lowest priority in wafer allocation so low production numbers are a feature, not a bug.
No, it's simply that wafer-wise Datacenter products pay much better so they can afford to basically allocate the scraps to consumers.
There is no single current player that is consumer-focused right now so we're all competing with Microsoft and OpenAI for GPUs.
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Microsoft are working with AMD on OpenAI - AMD are helping build `Athena` whilst Microsoft are working with Xilinx - all to try to combat Nvidia, who have 85% of the AI market
Ok if not Microsoft then most other AI players, even GPT-3 was trained on Nvidia hardware IIRC.
Most cloud workloads will use that kind of stuff and Nvidia is pushing hard for streaming, where TLC would host their GPUs inside their own datacenters.