Most people haven't got a clue, even a lot of people on the forums don't keep drivers/chipset drivers and BIOS updated where applicable. I think that's where most issues come from long with old installs of Windows, conflicting third party apps etc. You're right PC is a lot more hassle for most people. I'd always recommend a console to anyone other than the keen PC geek.
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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
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Honestly that's where Microsoft is trying to push Windows S mode. Most of the compatibility, less room to make a mess and allows non X86 devices to be used.
The downside is of course that you'll have to stay within the Windows Store walled garden but hey, that kind of user won't mind an app store anyway.
I never update any drivers unless I'm forced to. In my experience updating things too often is the root of most problems.
I update Windows every couple of years and GPU drivers once a year. Everything else I never touch and I've never had stability problems unless a component is faulty.
Third party apps unless absolutely essential I only use a stable portable version that does not install anything.
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Wait, so you've divided up all the things a single PC can do onto your phone, laptop, console etc then say you don't personally experience all the extra stuff a PC can do?
There's nothing wrong having specific devices you prefer to use but it shouldn't be hard to understand how versatile a solid computer is.
Your experience doesn't equate to everyone's though.
Try doing music production with a **** load of orchestral instrument VST's on anything but a desktop with a fast CPU and a ton of ram... Unless you are happy with bouncing tracks and stems constantly, and audio drops outs, it is a requirement.
There are still plenty of productivity/creative applications that still require a powerful PC.
For me, PC gaming is just the cost of the GPU.
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Mate forget about things like music production. My family constantly pesters me when they need any research about the most trivial things, apparently I'm some sort of wizard that can find things quickly.
Or maybe having a proper monitor with a few tabs open boosts the completion of even the most basic tasks exponentially. Seeing middle aged phone zombies struggling to format a basic e-mail is always amusing.
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Well some of us are freelance so we use our pc's in multiple roles.... as someone who works with 3D and can make use of all the cpu/gpu performance they can get hold of when rendering, even I find the prices pretty poor although having said that a 4090 is still cheaper than an equivalent A (quadro) series card.... so a 4090 would be a business expense which I can use in my spare time for other purposes, or that's what I tell myself when I try to convince myself to buy it lol (holding off again due to the 'power socket issues' cropping up again concern me because I leave my pc unattended while rendering)
Don't forget streaming etc, in some cases they even use 2 pc's with one dedicated to capture duty....
I'm also someone who doesn't like using controllers in the games I play and last I checked kb/mouse on consoles can still be a bit sketchy at times.
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People seem to forget laptops outsell desktops for the most part. Even if gaming prefers desktops,on Steam laptop RTX3060 and desktop RTX3060 marketshare is very close together. Its also probably why the GTX1650 and GTX1050TI are still reasonably popular too because many laptops had them.
Even with desktops,how many are custom builds or something from Dell or HP?
Do people think Nvidia or AMD make more per sale to a large OEM,or to end users like us? Probably us,hence why they want to put fancy boxes and coolers and put lipstick on their products to upsell them. Especially when many of these products hardly need excessive cooling or metal shrouds with RGB.
Even with desktops,how many are custom builds or something from Dell or HP?
Do people think Nvidia or AMD make more per sale to a large OEM,or to end users like us? Probably us,hence why they want to put fancy boxes and coolers and put lipstick on their products to upsell them. Especially when many of these products hardly need excessive cooling or metal shrouds with RGB.
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I've never denied a pcs versatility. It's just it's not a convenient one for my basic day to day use. If I want to check personal emails or spend time on forums or reddit etc I do it from my phone. My pc is capable of all that but not nearly as convenient.
If I have a sudden urge to play Elden Ring or Resident Evil I'll just press the button on my xbox controller, console tv and sound system are on in ten seconds and the game is open within the next ten seconds. My pc play them games but the process is nowhere near as slick.
This all stemmed from someone saying you can now build a PS5 beater for £650 which might beat a ps5 in fidelity but I hazard a guess it won't beat a ps5 for overall gaming experience.
Console load times alone are genuinely impressive. Once you get used to launching games as fast as they can you go back to the pc and feel nothing but frustration.
In response to jono and the music production piece. I obviously don't argue that. I use my pc for ezdrummer and akai mpc but I can do that without a particularly strong gpu. And we are talking about the stupid gpu and pc gaming market really.
No idea what this means or how it applies to you.
Not true. If the game's cross gen, and even some of the PS5 exclusive, have similar loading times to nvme PCs. And the ones that don't it's a difference of like 3-4s at the start. Hardly ground-breaking.
Definitely not true.
No such requirement on PC either. Just put preset at medium or high (which will be still far above consoles anyway) and enjoy.
Again, not sure what this means either.
But why does that matter to you, because you were talking about yourself & PC and not the rabble. Unless of course you'd group yourself with them, but I doubt that.
Absolutely not. Consoles have an advantage in cost and they are a bit simpler than PCs to operate, but that's where it starts and ends. I don't think that those reasons make it overall a better gaming platform for anyone that isn't an uber casual.
I was talking to Hedge, not most people, because he talked about the PC advantages for himself, originally.
The interesting thing is, the people who are worried about time, I get it, but also not (because are you really that time-conscious and playing vidya?), but the ones focused on cost should 100% be on PC because it's absolutely cheaper, for reasons I won't get into but you can imagine.
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If people don't care about resolution, details, frame rate, just buy low-end stuff, turn down/off settings, keep resolution low and won't cost you that much.
As for being hard to operate a PC... Is it though? If you can handle a phone or any piece of electronics these days, shop online, it won't be an issue to install a game, driver, etc.
Not sure about this to be honest. My PC boots up pretty quick and games load extremely quickly if they are on an NVME drive.
The Xbox quick start feature was cool, but hardly flawless (often i found i had to restart the game, or it caused quirks/soft crashes).
Without quick start, i would say loading times are just as fast on my PC.
Barrier of entry is someone walks into a shop, buys a console, takes it home and within an hour is playing games and navigating the associated interface with ease. Pcs involve more faff. But that's not really my argument. My issue is ultimately the fact that it's costing £650 for a pc that beats a 3yr old console in games.
Loading times are absolutely better. I do own nvme pc and console and can definitely tell the difference in the experience. This may be due to the interface and quick resume etc making the whole experience better.
Preset medium or high isn't actually way beyond the consoles. This is where things have changed since Ps5 and Series x. It used to be the case on older gen but now the real world differences are small without looking at side by side comparisons or frame rate monitors.
Solely for gaming they are the best solution. All the pc justification comes down to is better graphics. Well unfortunately all the best gaming experiences aren't graphics related. They are gameplay related. Look at Zelda or Mario as an example. Or elden ring. They are epic games and my 180hrs in elden ring were as good on my xbox as they would have been on my considerably more expensive pc.
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Maffs, you've heard of it...
Which ones do you mean specifically? The ones that drop to 480p on the actual PS5, the ones that drop to 17 fps on the PS5 or the ones that crash to desktop on the PS5? Can you be more specific
Did you manage to play zelda or mario on your xbox? Cause I can on my pc
On ultrawide nonetheless. While owning a normal 16:9 screen mind you.
Console is like fast food. PC is a homecooked meal from a chief.
Did you manage to play zelda or mario on your xbox? Cause I can on my pc
On ultrawide nonetheless. While owning a normal 16:9 screen mind you.
Console is like fast food. PC is a homecooked meal from a chief.
I tried breath of the wild on my pc yeah but never stuck with it.
Your pc is a 4090 spec isn't it? I mean... Not to state the obvious.. But if a pc costs 6 times the cost of a ps5 then it's only right to be more powerful lol.
According to this video a PS5 isn't as powerful as a 6800, you should be able to buy a 6700xt for £350 and have a 12GB vram gpu which holds up to the ps5. https://youtu.be/HCvE4JGJujk?t=1967
Well if you were addressing a single person then the point you made is mute because it wouldn't apply to everyone.
Not me but i would imagine a majority of people want leisure time to be leisure time and not waste time getting things to work.
Sorry but where in what you replied to does it mention anything about resolution, details, frame rate, or being hard to operate.
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