Who exactly is doing this?
End of the day gaming is a market worth billions. If they price it wrong they will make less money. There is a sweet spot for them to maximise profits. Hopefully that sweet spot involves better pricing next gen.
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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
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Who exactly is doing this?
End of the day gaming is a market worth billions. If they price it wrong they will make less money. There is a sweet spot for them to maximise profits. Hopefully that sweet spot involves better pricing next gen.
Caporegime
Plenty of data to show microtransactions make more than the upfront cost of many games.
In 2020:
Activision Blizzard Microtransactions Netted Over $1.2 Billion Last Quarter
Love them or leave them, microtransactions are clearly paying off for Activision Blizzard.www.gameinformer.com
So yes we can blame gamers for this. If it didn't work companies wouldn't put them in,let alone push up dGPU pricing. It works as people try and explain it away to XYZ reasons using more and more weird reasons. After all you are doing it and are not aware that you are because it has got so ingrained over the last decade.The marketing works.
You literally said that most gamers don't use microtransactions - I showed you the microtransactions can make up more than the upfront cost of the games.
Plus your use of passive aggressive language and veiled insults to people,is par for the cause on this forum,which basically confirms which I said before. Make some lame arse excuse for prices,when it gets called out jump to attacking the person.
Yet it also shows a stunning lack of self awareness,to insult people about how much time is spent on a forum.
You only joined in April 2014,and have 27547 posts. I joined in late 2009 and have 23668. That means you make over 3000 posts a year on average. I make 1750 posts a year.
So using your own language,you must have
Because you make 71% more posts a year on average than me.Also isn't ayahuasca an hallucinogenic drink? Maybe not a great use of words either.
Oh,and Gibbo has more posts in this thread than me. Think I am number 10 or 11. Sorry I failed - I must emulate your rate of posting.
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Caporegime
No, I didn't. I said the majority of gamers aren't spending the amounts you think they are on games if you'd quote the whole discussion. It's single digit percentages of their playerbases that are spending the big bucks and driving up pricing.
It isn't a lack of self-awareness at all. I'm well aware of my post count, but the majority of my posts aren't in this section writing walls of text trying to hypothesise a whole host of different scenarios, repeating myself on a daily basis like you do.
Try to comprehend things before jumping to conclusions on what I've actually written.
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The technology is not the bubble, the valuation and money chasing the gains is the growing bubble.
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The brave ones are the ones throwing their own money in and letting it ride. It will be a useful technology but a lot of people will get burnt along the way .com bubble, Crypto, housing etc have all made some people very rich at the expense of many others. This is the wayYour quickly on the way to some of this:
Brave chap you are!
Caporegime
The brave ones are the ones throwing their own money in and letting it ride. It will be a useful technology but a lot of people will get burnt along the way .com bubble, Crypto, housing etc have all made some people very rich at the expense of many others. This is the way
You put your foot in it now. I think you need some new forum attire.
Pretty similar to my point.The brave ones are the ones throwing their own money in and letting it ride. It will be a useful technology but a lot of people will get burnt along the way .com bubble, Crypto, housing etc have all made some people very rich at the expense of many others. This is the way
Those who did not get this might have trouble reading, or they have a vested interest (shareholders or those making money with AI - although the later really shouldn't care if ASIC overtake generic GPUs at this), or just love to argue!
Yes, I have no monopoly on predictions of the future, if I did I wouldn't be wasting my time here, I'd buy myself a leather jacket and be sitting on my yacht
Soldato
My brother works for a games development company that are owned by Epic Games.
He says the money is micro-transactions.
Their called "whales" apparently, and whilst most people may only buy the base game or play for free if it's f2p, there will be some who will spend "a lot" of money on a game.
Whales are real, it's people that will spend a salary or more per year in microtransactions.
Soldato
When you have to explain it. The moment is lost.
Caporegime
Just look at the numbers I found in this post:
When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
AI is a completely different "bubble" to those. It's not going anywhere for a very long time and while it may deflate over time, I can't see it going pop anytime soon. I wasn't asking for genuine investment advice, more how Troezar thinks it's going to go pop. I don't think it is going to go...
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Blizzard Activision games are not cheap - but they make more in microtransactions! I was even surprised at it.
But I don't see even how this can be used to spin current dGPU prices. It's not like that any of the large customers want smaller consumer grade dGPUs,and its not like these companies would want to give up billions of decent margin revenue. Plus many of the dGPUs used by Nvidia,AMD,etc are architected to use HBM because memory bandwidth,etc is just as important as is VRAM capacity. That means also packaging is a rate limiting step too.
Plus you need multi-GPU capabilities which are not existent in lower end dGPUs and Nvidia cut its purchase commitments at the end of 2022 by $4 billion:
So all of this being "planned" doesn't seem like it - late 2022 was well within the period of the RTX4000 launch.
The H100 was also launched last year.PCMR needs to just accept Nvidia/AMD is trying it on because they feel they can. RTX3070 cards were going for more than £800+ IIRC. So this time they decided to do it at source. This Stockholm Syndrome level "they had no choice" because of XYZ needs to really stop. They look at PCMR as whales.
The same as Turing,and Turing did partially normalise high pricing. The GTX1080TI was $700 and the Titan Xp was $1200. The RTX2080TI was $1200. The Titan RTX was $2400. The RTX3090 was $1500. The RTX4090 was $1600.
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Caporegime
Which was precisely my point.
While all the money is in microtransactions, it's a small percentage of players who are spending all the money.
That's why it's unfair to just label gamers as a whole as the cause of the situation and increased pricing. It's rich people, those dumb enough to spend all of their money or get themselves into debt over a game. If it weren't gaming, they'd find similar ways to blow it. The rise in streaming has exacerbated the problem as well as it's normalised the behaviour of what's essentially gambling with a lot of microtransactions.
At least if you pay over the odds for a GPU, you know (or should) exactly what you're getting.
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Hi there
Got some aggressive NVIDIA deals, now live on OcUK:
3050 from £229
3060 12G from £279
3060Ti from £319
3070 from £399
3070Ti from £459
Pretty much makes OcUK the cheapest on NVIDIA 30 series, all is clearance deals and I've ordered quite a few with more due next week, but these won't hang around long and once they gone, they are gone.
Got some aggressive NVIDIA deals, now live on OcUK:
3050 from £229
3060 12G from £279
3060Ti from £319
3070 from £399
3070Ti from £459
Pretty much makes OcUK the cheapest on NVIDIA 30 series, all is clearance deals and I've ordered quite a few with more due next week, but these won't hang around long and once they gone, they are gone.
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The Gainwood 4090 deal was, in the context of these crazy prices, quite good and pushed me to get one! Lowest 4090 price I've seen.
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Hopefully still available in a week or so I'll probably have to get one as well. Second hand prices are in the same region, unless you're lucky enough to snag a buyers remorse gpu/pc at discount. And unless I spam for a week no access to the members market on here
Soldato
It's good OCUK are trying to bring down prices and this is in no way a dig against them.
But £400 for a 3070, that's a two and a half year old, mid range card with gimped VRAM.....
But £400 for a 3070, that's a two and a half year old, mid range card with gimped VRAM.....
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What did you make of the Gainward in terms of build quality, noise etc?
Price has already gone back up on this unfortunately :/