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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

Why is no one criticising the 4070ti which is a worse proposition for £750/800?
There have been a lot of people critical of the 4070ti.

It is the same archetype as the 3060ti, costs the same or 10% less to manufacture (semi shortages easing, edge nodes cheapening, DRAM cheap) but they called it the 4070ti and overpriced it.

I do respect how incredibly efficient the design is, both in power and silicon usage for the performance it gets. Great engineering. Shirthouse pricing.
 
There have been a lot of people critical of the 4070ti.

It is the same archetype as the 3060ti, costs the same or 10% less to manufacture (semi shortages easing, edge nodes cheapening, DRAM cheap) but they called it the 4070ti and overpriced it.

I do respect how incredibly efficient the design is, both in power and silicon usage for the performance it gets. Great engineering. Shirthouse pricing.

This is why those people who are on about AI improving humanity are having a laugh.

Nvidia are making it clear, all they care about is making money.

All AI will do is allow them to do that even more efficiently, they'll pass the savings on to their shareholders and charge us milking cows even more.
 
Nvidia are making it clear, all they care about is making money.
I never get this point.... it should go without saying that of course their whole motto is to make a profit and keep stakeholders happy..... that is all any company worth billions/trillions cares about. Anyone who thinks there is a "white knight", the "community champion" is just delusional, companies can put on the good show and appease to their fanbase but at the end of the day, the real motive is to make money, nothing more.

If people feel so strongly about this and have morals and principles, best thing to do is just escape the "game" and find another hobby, one which doesn't cost much (in the grand scheme of things, PC gaming is far cheaper than a lot of other hobbies), I've heard stamp collecting is fun and cheap :p
 
I never get this point.... it should go without saying that of course their whole motto is to make a profit and keep stakeholders happy..... that is all any company worth billions/trillions cares about. Anyone who thinks there is a "white knight", the "community champion" is just delusional, companies can put on the good show and appease to their fanbase but at the end of the day, the real motive is to make money, nothing more.

If people feel so strongly about this and have morals and principles, best thing to do is just escape the "game" and find another hobby, one which doesn't cost much (in the grand scheme of things, PC gaming is far cheaper than a lot of other hobbies), I've heard stamp collecting is fun and cheap :p
I agree with you. The constant moaning and company bashing is getting tiring. No amount of withholding pennies is going to change the naming structure irrespective of die size in Nvidia or AMDs marketing teams minds.

They have another Wild West boom: AI which is predicted to consume more gpus for faster results.

Anyone who thinks they’ll get better value next gen for cheap is deluded.
 
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Looks like AI is going to cause another GPU shortage.

Prices will be maintained rather than decrease I think from now on.
Given inventory numbers, shortages are purely artificial.
That said, each passing year with high margins makes it more appealing for any player with a spec of GPU IP to try their hand at the game, meaning that thanks to Nvidia and AMD we're going to see most of the 1990s names come back one way or the other barring 3DFX.
 
Prices will be maintained rather than decrease I think from now on.

Yup sadly I agree, if it weren't for the AI boom, I reckon there would have been a good chance for price drops now especially by nvidia given dgpus was their main income but as a business, there is a new opportunity to make even better money than what dgpus could ever offer, not just in terms of profit but also far more opportunties and industries to branch into, hence why they are now worth trillions. Nvidia are quite right to pursue this path even if it does suck for us gamers as unlike amd, they don't really have their fingers in many pies in terms of business partnerships and various industries (at least not to the same extent) so when/if the pc gaming scene ever did collapse big time, nvidia would be in a lot of trouble compared to amd, which is why I think nvidia are really pushing their whole ecosystem on the gaming front as they want to lock people into their brand and features (since they offer consistently good features and are usually first to the market by years, they can get away with this much like apple when touchscreen smartphones first came about), like I said earlier in the thread, I honestly won't be surprised if they are trying to get back into consoles now too given pc gaming dgpus sales dropping.





Out of interest, just checking tsmc net worth etc.

TSMC has a market cap or net worth of $555.85 billion as of June 12, 2023. Its market cap has increased by 11.25% in one year.


The sales volume of the top 10 foundries (semiconductor subcontract manufacturing) globally shrunk by 18.6% from the previous quarter. While the market share of Taiwan’s TSMC, the top player, exceeded 60%, Samsung Electronics’ share dropped to the 12% range.



On June 12, market research firm TrendForce reported that the sales volume of the top 10 foundry operators in Q1 contracted by 18.6% from the previous quarter, recording US$27.33 billion.


TrendForce explained that this result stemmed from reduced demand due to a semiconductor industry downturn, as well as the impact of the off season. The company released an analysis report stating that sales also decreased as both the operating rates and shipment volumes of the top 10 companies declined.


As the magnitude of sales decreases varied by company, there were changes in the rankings. U.S.-based GlobalFoundries, which was fourth in the previous quarter, overtook Taiwan's UMC to record third place. Israel's Tower Semiconductor, which was eighth, surpassed Taiwan's PSMC to rise to the seventh position.


The gap between Taiwan's TSMC and Samsung Electronics, the first and second operators, widened further. TSMC’s Q1 sales fell by 16.2% from the previous quarter to $16.735 billion, but its market share rose by 1.6 percentage points to 60.1%. Samsung Electronics, on the other hand, saw its sales plummet by 36.1% to US$3.446 billion, recording a market share of 12.4%, down by 3.4 percentage points.


TrendForce stated, “TSMC's operating rate for 7/6 nanometers and 5/4 nanometers processes fell by more than 20% due to weakened demand for laptops and smartphones.” They added, “Samsung Electronics saw a decrease in Q1 sales due to a reduction in the operating rate of both 8-inch and 12-inch wafers.”
 
I never get this point.... it should go without saying that of course their whole motto is to make a profit and keep stakeholders happy..... that is all any company worth billions/trillions cares about. Anyone who thinks there is a "white knight", the "community champion" is just delusional, companies can put on the good show and appease to their fanbase but at the end of the day, the real motive is to make money, nothing more.

If people feel so strongly about this and have morals and principles, best thing to do is just escape the "game" and find another hobby, one which doesn't cost much (in the grand scheme of things, PC gaming is far cheaper than a lot of other hobbies), I've heard stamp collecting is fun and cheap :p
I agree with you. The constant moaning and company bashing is getting tiring. No amount of withholding pennies is going to change the naming structure irrespective of die size in Nvidia or AMDs marketing teams minds.

They have another Wild West boom: AI which is predicted to consume more gpus for faster results.

Anyone who thinks they’ll get better value next gen for cheap is deluded.
No one is saying they shouldn't be making a profit, what people are saying is that making excessive profits is unreasonable particularly when it's detrimental to the 'hobby' people think is 'fun'.

And I'm not sure how degenerating anyone and everyone who may disagree with you by calling them delusional and moaning about their moaning is helping your argument, it seems more like you both choose to insult people because you wanted a reaction.

Would you both say people who are unhappy about high energy costs are moaning and delusional, that it should go without saying that of course their whole motto is to make a profit and keep stakeholders happy or that people are bashing the energy companies?
 
I agree with you. The constant moaning and company bashing is getting tiring. No amount of withholding pennies is going to change the naming structure irrespective of die size in Nvidia or AMDs marketing teams minds.

They have another Wild West boom: AI which is predicted to consume more gpus for faster results.

Anyone who thinks they’ll get better value next gen for cheap is deluded.

Why would the moaning be tiring I actually welcome it it's justified even the YouTubers exposing the price hikes it gives wider exposure to the less aware look at the tier placing and prices ? Why shouldn't people complain?

Yeah they can still buy the product that's upto them at least they are aware but let's not complain and just buy so they can see how much more they can get away with I wonder why they scrapped the so called 4080 12gb
 
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No one is saying they shouldn't be making a profit, what people are saying is that making excessive profits is unreasonable particularly when it's detrimental to the 'hobby' people think is 'fun'.

And I'm not sure how degenerating anyone and everyone who may disagree with you by calling them delusional and moaning about their moaning is helping your argument, it seems more like you both choose to insult people because you wanted a reaction.

Would you both say people who are unhappy about high energy costs are moaning and delusional, that it should go without saying that of course their whole motto is to make a profit and keep stakeholders happy or that people are bashing the energy companies?

Explain how it is degenerating and insulting? People are outraged that companies priority is to make money and keep their stake holders happy??? Not exactly ground breaking news really. Does it suck, absolutely yes, is it nvidias, amds, intel etc. fault for chasing to increase their profits and please their stakeholders? Not really.

Isn't value and fun kind of a subjective thing? Some could easily build a pc for <1k, not be able to "max" out the game and still have a good pc gaming experience, same way those on the consoles are having great fun even though they're running at 30 fps and a lesser graphical experience. I have spent far more money on travelling this year than what I have spent on my PC spread across the last 10 years so again, gaming including pc gaming is extremely cheap given that it lasts longer and you get far more hours from it.... Same goes most hobbies, know a guy who spends like £500 on one golf club.... There are plenty of options for people wanting to get into pc gaming, it just means they can't buy the latest and greatest.

To me a lot of the time, it just screams as self entitlement with people wanting to be able to buy a 4090 for dirt cheap (bit like those who always go on about wanting amd to compete just so nvidia drop their prices and those people can buy nvidia hardware instead) which is perfectly valid, after all who wouldn't want a 4090 for <1k but sadly that's not the world we live in "now" hence the "if you feel so strongly" about it, maybe time to find a new hobby or just accept that if you want to game, consoles are the way to go or god forbid, you buy a lesser pc spec within your budget? People keep blaming nvidia for this situation and yes no doubt they are scum with how they are setting the pricing structure which enables others i.e. amd to follow and do basically the same but maybe if amd and intel competed and didn't follow nvidia footsteps, this could help the pc gaming scene with bringing prices for the latest and greatest hardware back down? After all, amd have banged on about how chiplet allows them to make their rdna 3 gpus for much cheaper so they have the power to really impact the pc gaming scene and perhaps do some "good" for the community (which is how they want the community to see them)
 
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Never been interested in the 90 series, but I shouldn't complain and shut up just buy the 4080 which they pretty much doubled its price from previous

Yup it sucks, at least we vote with our wallet (which is what matters) by not buying a 4080 for £1200+ though.

Lets be honest though, most gpus from the last 3 years are still capable of giving a good pc gaming experience (outside of very broken day 1 releases, which sometimes don't even run well on consoles either!) unless you absolutely refuse to use upscaling tech and/or lower settings @ 4k
 
Explain how it is degenerating and insulting?
I already have in what you quoted and responded to, but as you seem to be having problems I'll say it again "by calling them delusional and moaning about their moaning" and to add there's also the implication that anyone who doesn't take up a 'hobby' that's cheaper lacks "morals and principles".
People are outraged that companies priority is to make money and keep their stake holders happy???
No. Once again as i said in what you quoted "No one is saying they shouldn't be making a profit, what people are saying is that making excessive profits is unreasonable particularly when it's detrimental to the 'hobby' people think is 'fun'"

These sorts of discussions would be a lot easier if you a) read what you were replying to and b) stopped intentionally misrepresenting what other people said.
Isn't value and fun kind of a subjective thing?
Who said anything about value?
To me a lot of the time, it just screams as self entitlement with people wanting to be able to buy a 4090 for dirt cheap (bit like those who always go on about wanting amd to compete just so nvidia drop their prices and those people can buy nvidia hardware instead) which is perfectly valid, after all who wouldn't want a 4090 for <1k but sadly that's not the world we live in "now" hence the "if you feel so strongly" about it, maybe time to find a new hobby or just accept that if you want to game, consoles are the way to go or god forbid, you buy a lesser pc spec within your budget? People keep blaming nvidia for this situation and yes no doubt they are scum with how they are setting the pricing structure which enables others i.e. amd to follow and do basically the same but maybe if amd and intel competed and didn't follow nvidia footsteps, this could help the pc gaming scene with bringing prices for the latest and greatest hardware back down? After all, amd have banged on about how chiplet allows them to make their rdna 3 gpus for much cheaper so they have the power to really impact the pc gaming scene and perhaps do some "good" for the community (which is how they want the community to see them)
Blah, blah, blah. Honestly i only read the first few words of that because you seem to be doing what you typically do, people are not saying they want to buy a 4090 for dirt cheap, people are saying (how many times will this need repeating) that "making excessive profits is unreasonable particularly when it's detrimental to the 'hobby' people think is 'fun'"

e: Can you please either read what you're replying to properly or stop misrepresenting/misinterpreting what people are saying.
 
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Yup it sucks, at least we vote with our wallet (which is what matters) by not buying a 4080 for £1200+ though.

Lets be honest though, most gpus from the last 3 years are still capable of giving a good pc gaming experience (outside of very broken day 1 releases, which sometimes don't even run well on consoles either!) unless you absolutely refuse to use upscaling tech and/or lower settings @ 4k

They lost a sale from me I would have bought the 4080 if it was around £800 even though I don't really need the upgrade
 
They lost a sale from me I would have bought the 4080 if it was around £800 even though I don't really need the upgrade

Same!

I am still tempted to get a 4090 given just how far ahead it is especially with seeing some of the upcoming games this week, which you know will give everything a workout. Could get about £350-400 for my 3080 fe which would make the 4090 less of a blow to the wallet :cry:
 
Why would the moaning be tiring I actually welcome it it's justified even the YouTubers exposing the price hikes it gives wider exposure to the less aware look at the tier placing and prices ? Why shouldn't people complain?

Yeah they can still buy the product that's upto them at least they are aware but let's not complain and just buy so they can see how much more they can get away with I wonder why they scrapped the so called 4080 12gb
Moaning and company bashing is not going to achieve anything as gamers are small fry for them which is why constant comments make it tiring to read lol. AI companies not buying their products on the other hand will make them notice.
 
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It would make sense for latest gen prices to be significantly "on sale" after the strategy to prevent last gen losses has concluded.

How much longer before retailer stock of last gen is depleted?
 
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