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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

Moaning and company bashing is not going to achieve anything as gamers are small fry for them which is why constant comments make it tiring to read lol. AI companies not buying their products on the other hand will make them notice.

I dont think its tiring at all so you telling me everyone should shut up and just buy ? or you dont wanna feel bad about buying one and hearing negative stuff about it ? no ones stopping you buying one , love watching the bigger youtubers exposing it when its rightly justifed doesnt matter if it doesnt do anything why didnt the 4080 12gb go ahead ?
 
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Explain how it is degenerating and insulting? People are outraged that companies priority is to make money and keep their stake holders happy??? Not exactly ground breaking news really. Does it suck, absolutely yes, is it nvidias, amds, intel etc. fault for chasing to increase their profits and please their stakeholders? Not really.

Isn't value and fun kind of a subjective thing? Some could easily build a pc for <1k, not be able to "max" out the game and still have a good pc gaming experience, same way those on the consoles are having great fun even though they're running at 30 fps and a lesser graphical experience. I have spent far more money on travelling this year than what I have spent on my PC spread across the last 10 years so again, gaming including pc gaming is extremely cheap given that it lasts longer and you get far more hours from it.... Same goes most hobbies, know a guy who spends like £500 on one golf club.... There are plenty of options for people wanting to get into pc gaming, it just means they can't buy the latest and greatest.

To me a lot of the time, it just screams as self entitlement with people wanting to be able to buy a 4090 for dirt cheap (bit like those who always go on about wanting amd to compete just so nvidia drop their prices and those people can buy nvidia hardware instead) which is perfectly valid, after all who wouldn't want a 4090 for <1k but sadly that's not the world we live in "now" hence the "if you feel so strongly" about it, maybe time to find a new hobby or just accept that if you want to game, consoles are the way to go or god forbid, you buy a lesser pc spec within your budget? People keep blaming nvidia for this situation and yes no doubt they are scum with how they are setting the pricing structure which enables others i.e. amd to follow and do basically the same but maybe if amd and intel competed and didn't follow nvidia footsteps, this could help the pc gaming scene with bringing prices for the latest and greatest hardware back down? After all, amd have banged on about how chiplet allows them to make their rdna 3 gpus for much cheaper so they have the power to really impact the pc gaming scene and perhaps do some "good" for the community (which is how they want the community to see them)
Nvidia chasing obscene profits is fine, but buyers wanting lower prices is entitlement? :)

This is not just about 4090 or 90 class cards, but 60 class cards becoming 70 class cards and, on top, receiving another price increase while ALSO underspec-ing vRAM for more profit... Is a very scummy move from both sides, but Nvidia does take the lead on it.

These two are the golddiggers of hw industry ATM.
 
A lot of last gen cards are on sale right now at OcUK.

Are OcUK making a loss now or have manufacturers agreed to some kind of credit scheme for future orders?
 
Yeah sunken cost fallacy. If you overpay on the way in you more on the way out.

Some people thinking a 2 year old USED 3080 at 500 being the market bottoming out is wild to me. Depreciation & lost warranty years should be at least 40-50% reduction not 15 imo
A lot of those 3080's may have been bought for closer to £1k than £500 though.
 
I dont think its tiring at all so you telling me everyone should shut up and just buy ? or you dont wanna feel bad about buying one and hearing negative stuff about it ? no ones stopping you buying one , love watching the bigger youtubers exposing it when its rightly justifed doesnt matter if it doesnt do anything why didnt the 4080 12gb go ahead ?
I just think the hope that next gen is going to better will turn out to be pipedream.
 
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So are you saying this person would have upgraded their PC if GPUs were cheaper? They mention they basically have every platform so money clearly isn't the biggest hurdle for them, I think this post is just showing console is their preference and isn't really addressing the earlier points raised.

My point remains a simple one, the games you want to play dictate your platform choice, GPUs being unaffordable probably won't change the games you like to play and the idea of dumping your computer because the latest model of GPUs are expensive to then throw half grand at a console? Come on.

The cost comparison for most of my gaming life has always favoured consoles, pretty sure my Voodoo 1 cost more than a SNES yet PC gaming was and still remains a thing, even several decades later, ever wonder why?
 
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Nvidia chasing obscene profits is fine, but buyers wanting lower prices is entitlement? :)

This is not just about 4090 or 90 class cards, but 60 class cards becoming 70 class cards and, on top, receiving another price increase while ALSO underspec-ing vRAM for more profit... Is a very scummy move from both sides, but Nvidia does take the lead on it.

These two are the golddiggers of hw industry ATM.

When people give of about expecting to be able to max settings and not use upscaling at likes of 4k, yes :p

I agree, the low-mid end market is **** but there is plenty of choice for those people e.g.

6800xt/6900xt going for what £500-600?
3080/3090 going for £500+
4070/7900xt offering 3090 level of perf for £700/800 (not ideal but not exactly bad in grand scheme of things)
3060 12gb for what £400?

IMO, if you can't afford that then pc gaming is not for you but then it will depend entirely on the games you play e.g. some have considerably weaker hardware and are happy playing indie titles at 1080p

Then there is the second hand market where things are even cheaper.

Again, if you are the kind who wants to max out the latest and greatest and not use dlss or fg then you have no choice but to pay for the bleeding edge best hardware.
 
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Looks like AI is going to cause another GPU shortage.

Prices will be maintained rather than decrease I think from now on.

Does look that way as most the wafers will go to AI.

That is going to be painful as we will get UE5 games coming in thick and fast during the product life cycle of the 5000 series.

I might have to do a Jedi. Buy a 5090, play all the demanding games, sell it at a small loss and get a crappy card to replace it :cry:
 
I dont think it’s tiring at all so you telling me everyone should shut up and just buy ? or you dont wanna feel bad about buying one and hearing negative stuff about it ? no ones stopping you buying one , love watching the bigger youtubers exposing it when its rightly justifed doesnt matter if it doesnt do anything why didnt the 4080 12gb go ahead ?
The problem is everyone buying vram gimped ampere cards last gen who are hoping for a big upgrade for 50 series costing the same as before sadly will find they’re not getting advancements for cheap.
 
The problem is everyone buying vram gimped ampere cards last gen who are hoping for a big upgrade for 50 series costing the same as before sadly will find they’re not getting advancements for cheap.

Like I mentioned when I feel I need to upgrade which I dont currently do and being close to having it now for 3 years I think I got good use out of it and still find it good enough and if I dont see any good deal next gen I'll look at the market place here can find some right bargains
 
...which is why constant comments make it tiring to read lol.
Then stop reading them! :confused:
....I agree, the low-mid end market is **** but there is plenty of choice for those people e.g.

6800xt/6900xt going for what £500-600?
3080/3090 going for £500+
4070/7900xt offering 3090 level of perf for £700/800 (not ideal but not exactly bad in grand scheme of things)
3060 12gb for what £400?

IMO, if you can't afford that then pc gaming is not for you but then it will depend entirely on the games you play e.g. some have considerably weaker hardware and are happy playing indie titles at 1080p

Then there is the second hand market where things are even cheaper....
All but one are previous generation cards and while there's nothing inherently wrong with those are 'we' really saying that PC gamers can only have the new technology if they're willing to pay a premium, that people should be happy with buying 3+ year old graphics cards, that they should be happy that they can buy inferior models or second-hand.
 
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When people give of about expecting to be able to max settings and not use upscaling at likes of 4k, yes :p

I agree, the low-mid end market is **** but there is plenty of choice for those people e.g.

6800xt/6900xt going for what £500-600?
3080/3090 going for £500+
4070/7900xt offering 3090 level of perf for £700/800 (not ideal but not exactly bad in grand scheme of things)
3060 12gb for what £400?

IMO, if you can't afford that then pc gaming is not for you but then it will depend entirely on the games you play e.g. some have considerably weaker hardware and are happy playing indie titles at 1080p

Then there is the second hand market where things are even cheaper.

Again, if you are the kind who wants to max out the latest and greatest and not use dlss or fg then you have no choice but to pay for the bleeding edge best hardware.
Those prices are not ok, that's the problem (aka similar to launch prices - 3090 and 6900/6950 not included, but they were seriously overpriced anyway).
 
Then stop reading them! :confused:

All but one are previous generation cards and while there's nothing inherently wrong with those are 'we' really saying that PC gamers can only have the new technology if they're willing to pay a premium, that people should be happy with buying 3+ year old graphics cards, that they should be happy that they can buy inferior models or second-hand.

Instead of happiness, it's more about acceptance or abstaining of the current GPU reality.

I'm willing to accept the last gen situation now because I've seen prices dropping recently and I soon I will be able to buy what I want at an affordable price.

It has me wondering if the great GPU reset could actually be well on it's way. :D
 
I just think the hope that next gen is going to better will turn out to be pipedream.
Well, my response to that is that then GPU manufacturer's hope that I will buy their cards will turn out to be a pipedream!

Multiply that a few million times and the GPU manufacturers will truly have killed the GPU Golden Goose.
 
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When people give of about expecting to be able to max settings and not use upscaling at likes of 4k, yes :p

I agree, the low-mid end market is **** but there is plenty of choice for those people e.g.

6800xt/6900xt going for what £500-600?
3080/3090 going for £500+
4070/7900xt offering 3090 level of perf for £700/800 (not ideal but not exactly bad in grand scheme of things)
3060 12gb for what £400?

IMO, if you can't afford that then pc gaming is not for you but then it will depend entirely on the games you play e.g. some have considerably weaker hardware and are happy playing indie titles at 1080p

Then there is the second hand market where things are even cheaper.

Again, if you are the kind who wants to max out the latest and greatest and not use dlss or fg then you have no choice but to pay for the bleeding edge best hardware.

£600 is not low-midrange pricing, and it will damage the industry in long term pretending it is. If this stays, it will drive people out of PC gaming over time, which will mean yet more bad PC ports etc. Nvidia/AMD might be able to survive on high margin and lower sales, but I'm not sure game developers can. All of these should be 30 - 50% cheaper by now.
 
Well, my response to that is that then GPU manufacturer's hope that I will buy their cards will turn out to be a pipedream!

Multiply that a few million times and the GPU manufacturers will truly have killed the GPU Golden Goose.
Nvidia would beg to differ! Lol

 
Nvidia would beg to differ! Lol

How can they since the Golden GPU Goose, is of course, the GPU Gaming Goose not Nvidia being able to repurpose their chips for other purposes.

PC GPU buyers being sidelined by AI or mining is both "killing the golden goose" IMO - and I am sure the vast majority of forums members here read it like that.
 
How can they since the Golden GPU Goose, is of course, the GPU Gaming Goose not Nvidia being able to repurpose their chips for other purposes.

PC GPU buyers being sidelined by AI or mining is both "killing the golden goose" IMO - and I am sure the vast majority of forums members here read it like that.
It’s sadly inevitable. Nvidia don’t need gamers as much anymore. Also now I understand why AMD included AI cores on their 7900 series.
 
It’s sadly inevitable. Nvidia don’t need gamers as much anymore. Also now I understand why AMD included AI cores on their 7900 series.
What is going to likely happen is that premium smartphones/Apple SOCs and datacenter grade GPUs will get the premium nodes while consumer GPUs are going to be relegated to 2nd tier ones.
Both AMD and Intel are racing towards heterogeneous architecture and we're going to see both CPU and GPU becoming closer to SOC than single components.

Wattage will go as high as air cooling will allow and performance gains will be obtained through specialized components rather than a single chip IMHO.

It's not all doom and gloom, just hotter and less efficient chips than the cutting edge would allow but at the same time some gains could be made by basically idling whatever unused chips are around so average use won't be nearly as bad as benchmarks.

This is all IMHO of course, not sure how off I am but I think it's not an unreasonable scenario.
 
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