When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

[Hedge]

Looking at the HUB 16 game average..

I think any non competitive game at 4k is fine above 60fps. So i would be satisfied with any cards that can currently maintain that.

Then competitive games that need a vhigh framerate won't be played at 4k anyway and people who play competitively can justify buying whatever card gives their chosen game it's best performance.

Looking at that chart where the 3080 has lows of 60fps, if I owned a 3080 I'd still probably be playing games fine day to day. I don't think I'd feel compelled to upgrade to anything on that list other than maybe a 4090 but that's a huge outlay to take a game from playable to playable but with a bigger number in my fps counter.

 

[adidan]

AMD have said it’s a 7900xt? Am I missing something or are you? Lol

I think they were trying to make the point that the 7900XT really should have been released as the 7800XT and it's a bit of a similar thing to Nvidia originally calling a 4070Ti a 4080 until there was a bit of an outcry about it.

 

[GhostDog1981]

I think they were trying to make the point that the 7900XT really should have been released as the 7800XT and it's a bit of a similar thing to Nvidia originally calling a 4070Ti a 4080 until there was a bit of an outcry about it.

Point is no amount of moaning will get them to change the name just because people feel it should be a 7800xt to get it for a cheaper price. AMD will stick to calling it whatever they like. I think everyone is expecting next gen to be vastly cheaper or better price to performance and going by both companies so far that seems unlikely.

 

[Joxeon]

1080ti has aged well tbh

Yeah cause it delivered that performance a generation earlier.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Yeah cause it delivered that performance a generation earlier.

That series of Nvidia cards was very good as well, this is coming from someone who favours AMD generally, but credit where credit is due Nvidia put out a very decent range with the 10 series

I had an 8GB EVGA 1070 which served me well for about 5 years, it's still in use today in another PC.

Unlike my 3070, which is a lemon and I'm keen to shift it, and would have by now if it wasnt for these current prices.

 

[adidan]

Point is no amount of moaning will get them to change the name just because people feel it should be a 7800xt to get it for a cheaper price. AMD will stick to calling it whatever they like. I think everyone is expecting next gen to be vastly cheaper or better price to performance and going by both companies so far that seems unlikely.

Well Nvidia changed a 12Gb 4080 to a 4070Ti because, well, that's what it is at best.

I'm not sure everyone is expecting next gen to be better price to performance, just hoping, and going by past generations it's not implausible.

If Intel up their game and price hard I can see them having more of an effect on AMD pricing than anything Nvidia ever do TBH.

E: That is to say Nvidia will play their own game irrespective of the others I expect

 

[GhostDog1981]

Yeah cause it delivered that performance a generation earlier.

Please do tell what card you are running?

 

[uscool]

Point is no amount of moaning will get them to change the name just because people feel it should be a 7800xt to get it for a cheaper price. AMD will stick to calling it whatever they like. I think everyone is expecting next gen to be vastly cheaper or better price to performance and going by both companies so far that seems unlikely.

Better get used to it can't stop people having opinions just like you think the 7900xt is a tremendous deal lol it's still on offer by the way

If they didn't care so much why did they not go ahead with the 4080 12gb $899 ?

 

[GhostDog1981]

Better get used to it can't stop people having opinions just like you think the 7900xt is a tremendous deal lol it's still on offer by the way

I think let’s just agree that the overwhelming forum members prefer Nvidia and will defend them to the hilt. I’m going to end this here and say I’m not going to try and defend the merits of the OCUK 7900xt deal for £728.99 as it is a GOOD DEAL for someone who needs significant power coming from an older card or last gen lower end ampere or RDNA2. Snearing at it for being within 10% of a 4080 for £500 (yes this much) less smacks of Nvidia fanboyism quite frankly.

 

[Hedge]

I think let’s just agree that the overwhelming forum members prefer Nvidia and will defend them to the hilt. I’m going to end this here and say I’m not going to try and defend the merits of the OCUK 7900xt deal for £728.99 as it is a GOOD DEAL for someone who needs significant power coming from an older card or last gen lower end ampere or RDNA2. Snearing at it for being within 10% of a 4080 for £500 (yes this much) less smacks of Nvidia fanboyism quite frankly.

The up sell is what Nvidia and AMD rely on. If you can make a product stack with the perfect performance differences then you will get people who were going to spend £400 start justifying £500...then once they think £500 is OK.. Then well.. £600 isn't far beyond £500.....sooo... I spose £700 is only one more than £600 right..

Next thing they've spent 75% more money and think they got a good deal.

It's all a bit daft really. Especially when what you gain as a consumer is the ability to play a game that everyone else can play. Except yours looks and runs a bit better. Whoopdydoo

 

[uscool]

I think let’s just agree that the overwhelming forum members prefer Nvidia and will defend them to the hilt. I’m going to end this here and say I’m not going to try and defend the merits of the OCUK 7900xt deal for £728.99 as it is a GOOD DEAL for someone who needs significant power coming from an older card or last gen lower end ampere or RDNA2. Snearing at it for being within 10% of a 4080 for £500 (yes this much) less smacks of Nvidia fanboyism quite frankly.

Both are trying it on just AMD on lesser scale dislike Nvidia more because they are the market leader and trying to dictate it just disappointed AMD wasn't more aggressive with it's pricing to try to get some market share

Don't really care for fanboyism I just go with my own thoughts and neither are offering me with value that is worth upgrading too. I think Nvidia actually had it bad with people criticising the pricing and tier placing? I welcome that

You sound like jensen people should stop moaning and get used to it ? Lol

 

[Zarax]

Both are trying it on just AMD on lesser scale

Don't really care for fanboyism I just go with my own thoughts and neither are offering me with value that is worth upgrading too. I think Nvidia actually had it bad with people criticising the pricing and tier placing? I welcome that

You sound like jensen people should stop moaning and get used to it ? Lol

I set for myself a simple upgrade rule.
Am I getting at least 2x performance for the same money as my last card?

I'll then hold until the market meets my criteria, which usually means 5-6 years.

 

[uroboros]

The up sell is what Nvidia and AMD rely on. If you can make a product stack with the perfect performance differences then you will get people who were going to spend £400 start justifying £500...then once they think £500 is OK.. Then well.. £600 isn't far beyond £500.....sooo... I spose £700 is only one more than £600 right..

Next thing they've spent 75% more money and think they got a good deal.

It's all a bit daft really. Especially when what you gain as a consumer is the ability to play a game that everyone else can play. Except yours looks and runs a bit better. Whoopdydoo

That is why I decided to go vega56 > steam deck I'll see what autumn brings, maybe some midrangers from AMD that are priced as if we are still in the mining goldrush. Unfortunately I can see the bottom of the market dropping out for PC gaming if this greed continues with everything AAA eventually being a console conversion or delivered via streaming.

 

[uscool]

I set for myself a simple upgrade rule.
Am I getting at least 2x performance for the same money as my last card?

I'll then hold until the market meets my criteria, which usually means 5-6 years.

Probably 2-4 years for me also depends on when I have to start dropping settings below high

 

[Calin Banc]

Hopefully cp 2077 expansion be bundled now, going to treat myself to the 4090 I reckon so I am ready for all the ray tracing goodness of Pandora, night city etc. i.e. paying to avoid/brute force through issues

Finally gave in?

Check also the 4080 if is at a good price. When I did, 4090 was about 50% more expensive (if not a bit more with the need to change PSU), while also hotter.
The money saved could be put towards the next card.

For sure, £500-600 is not mid-range pricing. It's not an amount that any mid-range buyer I know is prepared to spend. It's more like two whole pricing tiers above what we want to spend.

But then, in that list of his, how exactly is a 3090 a "low-mid" card? Surely even the 6800xt is not "low-mid". The 3060, yes.

Anyway, these days I couldn't care less what either of them do. Mostly playing ancient stuff that's found its way to Gog.com. Neither AMD nor nVidia getting a penny more from me for the foreseeable, as neither is offering worthwhile upgrades at realistic prices. There are other hobbies! And even in the realm of gaming, there are loads of older games I have yet to play.

In fact AMD and nVidia could exit the PC games market entirely, and maybe it wouldn't really hurt that much. Devs can just work with what we've got today, give up a bit of lens flair, and turn RT off Would honestly rather that happened than end up with £600 mid-range cards being the norm.

People can always stay with 1080p.

 

[Nexus18]

Finally gave in?

Check also the 4080 if is at a good price. When I did, 4090 was about 50% more expensive (if not a bit more with the need to change PSU), while also hotter.
The money saved could be put towards the next card.

Funnily I did place the order last night then cancelled it this morning when I came to my senses My logic was I got a 3080 for £650 i.e. saved £750 from not buying a 3090 for the 4-15% improvement depending on the game then after selling on old gpus etc. the 3080 essentially cost me £110 and I could have shifted it on now for about £400 so 4090 seemed ok when I looked at the big picture but...... utterly silly given my main games atm are 7d2d and diablo which already run well above 120+ fps I was so looking forward to being able to upload videos of the 4090 ******** itself in "unoptimised" games on launch day though and blaming it on lack of vram, that alone would have been worth the £1500+

 

[BUDFORCE]

People can always stay with 1080p.

You can't really though.

Once you get a 1440p monitor your are not going to switch down to 1080.

1440p imo looks significantly better, I don't care what all these gimics think they can do but it doesn't best native resolution.

But yes.... Obviously that chucks a whole more performance need on, particularly VRAM it seems.

And another thing, it's 2023, why should we now have to switch down to 1080 so Nvidia can make billions (not) selling you horrendously overpriced GPUs .

It's all wrong.

 

[Brackish]

Have to agree with the above. I'm currently using a 1080p TV with a GTX 1660 which is struggling a lot. I will be getting a new TV soon and might as well get a 4k as that's the norm. I can always set the res to 1080p as I please but it's the GPU upgrade I'm thinking about. Get a 7600 and stick with 1080p for a year or 2 since I'm already in 1080p or go for something like a 4070 or 7700XT (when released)? Will need a new PSU either way so saving for that too. I'm not confident enough or knowledgeable enough to buy used and not yet a mm level here.

 

[uscool]

I wouldnt want 4070 or 7700XT for 4K sounds painful from the get go

 

[Twinz]

Point is no amount of moaning will get them to change the name just because people feel it should be a 7800xt to get it for a cheaper price. AMD will stick to calling it whatever they like. I think everyone is expecting next gen to be vastly cheaper or better price to performance and going by both companies so far that seems unlikely.

I remember a similar sentiment prior to the launch of the 3080.... Then shock when Nvidia announced $700 3080 that was ~30% faster than a $1200 2080Ti. While crypto wreked the market, Nvidia's pricing was undoubtedly a response to Turing's sales. (Or lack thereof)

While "moaning" itself may not move companies, supply and demand will.

They control their products. We control our money.