Where did you get those yeild figures from?
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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
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Okay, taking $17,000 and making that column a bit narrower (everyone knows what pw means, right?), and adding AD107 (I've never gone that low before but then this gen x107 is the x060 cards
Plenty of margins either way.
R&D and masks etc. have gone up, but the biggest mystery is precisely that: AMD's R&D and other fixed costs have gone up too*, but after that huge fixed costs they seem totally unwilling to go for volume. It's almost like the are playing in the dGPU market just to get experience for the next console update.
The choice to only have Navi 33 on 6nm and not to go for a 400mm² 6nm monolith as a true volume part is very puzzling from my armchair silicon strategists PoV!
*Yes, chiplets might save something there.
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The yields for large dis even with great defect density (and 0.07 per cm² on a 5nm node can be considered great) can be pretty poor.
Hence the holy grail of chiplets.
Regarding binning, there is such a thing as binning good parts for clocks, voltages etc. as well.
While things you cannot test until after packaging, I am sure they can test some thing before too.
Then between all the various test rigs at their packaging plant I am sure they will find uses of many of the "bad" dies.
Some will be complete failures the defect was in a part without redundancy, but I would expect the throwaway bad to be 5-10%.
TPU lists AD102 as being a 18432 shader part whereas 4090 only uses 16384 so about 88%.
Hence the holy grail of chiplets.
Regarding binning, there is such a thing as binning good parts for clocks, voltages etc. as well.
While things you cannot test until after packaging, I am sure they can test some thing before too.
Then between all the various test rigs at their packaging plant I am sure they will find uses of many of the "bad" dies.
Some will be complete failures the defect was in a part without redundancy, but I would expect the throwaway bad to be 5-10%.
TPU lists AD102 as being a 18432 shader part whereas 4090 only uses 16384 so about 88%.
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From what I can think of is less likely for a dev to ignore properly optimizing for you and higher chance to get your tech in (like tressfx). Plus a bigger mind share, more likely to get sales with lesser products.
The old infinite increase in afinite market.
Thing is the cards themselves have become more complex and power hungry. GTX 970 was 145w tdp. 4080 (which is more like a 70 class card) is already 320w tdp. The cooler is great,but masive (my old 2080 seems like a toy). Now consider all the other parts that have been built to serve the higher tdp, plus 16gb vram vs 3.5gb fast + 512mb slow memory (4gb in total for gtx970).
And then there's greed!
)From what I can think of is less likely for a dev to ignore properly optimizing for you and higher chance to get your tech in (like tressfx). Plus a bigger mind share, more likely to get sales with lesser products.
The old infinite increase in afinite market.
Thing is the cards themselves have become more complex and power hungry. GTX 970 was 145w tdp. 4080 (which is more like a 70 class card) is already 320w tdp. The cooler is great,but masive (my old 2080 seems like a toy). Now consider all the other parts that have been built to serve the higher tdp, plus 16gb vram vs 3.5gb fast + 512mb slow memory (4gb in total for gtx970).
And then there's greed!
I can see defensible reasons for higher cost cards: more complex tech and manufacturing techniques, more raw hardware and silicon, general inflation, bigger board, more secondary hardware and cooling solutions (as you say). But in 2014 a GTX 970 was under £300, I think I paid about £270 for mine and in 2022 a 4080 is £1200 and a 4070Ti is £800+. Depending on which one you regard to be the current gen equivalent that's a x3 or x4 increase in 8 years! Double I think would be fair, but 3-4 times... mostly greed.
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100% is greed. That card should have been called a 4070 Ti and cost £749 at most.
The downgrade in die size and the ridiculous price rise is what makes the 4080 doubly disappointing, one or the other and Nvidia might have just about got away with it but implementing both has killed off the 80 series this gen which is a shame as the 3080 was one of the best if not the best card last gen offering high end performance at a reasonable price but the 4080 is the polar opposite.
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The 4080 price was mindblowing
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I think the 4080 name is legit because it *performs* almost 50% better than last-gen's 3080. (and not just at lower resolutions) The problem is that they are charging way too much for it.
My thought is they want silly moneys for 4080 naming, then name it 4070 Ti and charge a fair price. Not £1200...
The ADA performance increase somewhat masks the die downgrade but still we should have got the full +70% especially considering the price.
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I'd say they've killed the original appeal of it. At current prices and keeping in mind with what else is out there as alternatives, isn't great, but isn't untouchable as well.
Despite saying the ceo wouldn't shut the company down when evga left the GPU market, it seems evga has been shut down as it's emerged that all employees have just resigned
wccftech.com
EVGA Quitting PC Business? Rumors Allege That All Employees Including KINGPIN Have Resigned From Taiwan HQ
Well-known PC hardware manufacturer, EVGA, seems to be quitting the PC business as reports cite that all employees have resigned.
wccftech.com
Despite saying the ceo wouldn't shut the company down when evga left the GPU market, it seems evga has been shut down as it's emerged that all employees have just resigned
EVGA Quitting PC Business? Rumors Allege That All Employees Including KINGPIN Have Resigned From Taiwan HQ
Well-known PC hardware manufacturer, EVGA, seems to be quitting the PC business as reports cite that all employees have resigned.
It's obvious there was no money in making PSUs & accessories.
I had the same thought on another thread. If they can't supply enough to meet typical demand then stretch as bigger margin as possible from that you can make.