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When will GPUs return to normal pricing....

Rather of topic..... But, I've been happily using my 55e7 for 3+ years now and all sorts of HDR gaming, no sign of any burn in or image retention (the newer models are even more resistant to image retention etc.) Even if there was any, I would sooner replace it with another £1k OLED 3 years down the line than pay for a £1-3k LCD monitor

Got 60 hours in cyberpunk now too, although not hdr since it's broke and this is where oleds self emissive pixels is great as you still get true blacks, almost like HDR lite mode.

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All in all, GPU pricing looks good if you compare it to the monitor market! :o
 
I'd be annoyed spending so much on one of those after seeing the screen uniformity and blb variance.
Then there's burn in, too much lottery, my 1440p TN screen has very fast response and has hardly any blb so is great for darker games or any game for that matter.
How can an OLED screen suffer from backlight bleed if it has no backlight.?
 
well to high end users they used to be able to sell 2-4 high end cards so now they need 1 gpu that costs the same as those 4 used to :P These new RTX cards were released at too low of a price this time round for the level of stock there is. people are willing to pay much much more, so i can see them going up next time.
 
I’ve been affected by Christmas manias since 1982 and what i would add to the thread is that you do tend to see a ‘boomerang’ effect happen after Christmas when people open and use their new stuff only to realise they can close the box
and sell it for a profit on the secondary market.

I fully expect this to happen with some of the more novelty items, like the Mario Kart kits and there will be more temptation to flog the PS5/Xbox X if you can get double the price paid simply because you know, based on past experience, that the U.K will be flooded with them within 12 weeks of Christmas passing.

I had a look last night and there are 11,000 listings for 3070 cards on the flea, some people want £850 for one and the vast majority will be passed on without the warranty.

At some point in February the musical chairs on this silliness will stop as nvidia and amd ship over 4 million units in 3 months because, that is their business model, shipping mass produced items on a huge scale. If they can’t do it anymore, they are out of business.

We are in multi-year structural decline of the PC market, don’t be fooled by this stock tightening or talk about twitch streamers, the pool of people buying these GPU cards to put in a PC is going down every year, not up.

except on the last 2 generations shortages persisted and prices stayed high.

This time I am sure capacity is impacted by covid, brexit will have an impact, and demand is higher due to lockdown's, but now we also have professional scalping businesses targeting the products as well. IF the retailers dont or refuse to adapt this is not disappearing in 3 months time. As long as they keep doing the silly random live drop system it will continue.

I dont think the actual demand is that high, its rather a combination of very low supply and scalpers. I imagine the demand for a gpu is a tiny fraction for demand for a ps5 as an example.

We also in a situation where amd and nvidia released their products at same time, and on top of that 2 major console launches that use amd components. I expect there is a few factories under massive strain supplying all of the vendors, and consoles get the bulk of parts because they sell in the biggest numbers.
 
Here's the funny thing, ps 5 and xbox are in MASSIVE demand (will be far more in demand than GPUs too) and are basically out of stock.... yet.... there is no price gouging going on with them at the most common re/e tailers

PC "enthusiasts" are getting milked proper and good this gen.
 
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Exactly.

As the market becomes more niche, prices will go up to make up for lost sales, happens with everything.

These new consoles will only accelerate it even more, absolutely crazy the price of them considering you are basically now getting locked 4k60 with high graphical settings, something which only a £1500-2000 PC can achieve now, obviously fast forward a year or 2 and PC will be back in the lead with new hardware and all, but again, will the cost of the hardware to achieve a significant lead over the consoles be worth it?

I'll be picking up a series x or ps 5 at some point next year, just holding out for a good bundle and to see if the ps 5 will be getting any more great exclusive titles.

Been reading that PC monitors are the next thing to go mad on pricing, which is funny as they are already ridiculously over priced :D

Playing on my series S has made me feel a fool for spending so much for things like extra sharpness and draw distances. They are nice when they can be had, but nice enough to spend 1000s of £s every couple of years?

For me the draw of PC gaming is the built in backwards compatibility, the modding nature of games, cheat engine, cheaper acquisition of games, and free online play. The better hardware is a bonus, but not the core reason I have gamed on PC, consoles have finally caught up on the 2 main weaknesses which is cpu grunt and game loading speed. However consoles have their own issues of course, accessories uber expensive, and not so good for games better on mouse+kb. Also interesting to learn that console skyrim supports mods as well, if this ever became widespread on consoles, the landscape could change quickly.
 
Here's the funny thing, ps 5 and xbox are in MASSIVE demand (will be far more in demand than GPUs too) and are basically out of stock.... yet.... there is no price gouging going on with them at the most common re/e tailers

PC "enthusiasts" are getting milked proper and good this gen.
Sadly they are all being bought by reseller groups instead. Been trying to get an XSX for weeks; no dice. They're all on eBay for £1000+
 
Graphics cards seems too much of a cartel. There’s no way part costs have risen 100% in a few years. They’re all just being clever.

I remember buying my gtx580 on release for 399.99 and thinking ‘by eck, that’s expensive’

Now you struggle to even get a midrange card for that..

Probably some half truth in that, remember the ram manufacturers were caught inflating the market.
 
Here's the funny thing, ps 5 and xbox are in MASSIVE demand (will be far more in demand than GPUs too) and are basically out of stock.... yet.... there is no price gouging going on with them at the most common re/e tailers

PC "enthusiasts" are getting milked proper and good this gen.

Because they are not allowed to gouge, manufacturers have that power, but only some choose to wield it.

Company I worked for 20 years ago, if a supermarket gouged the price, they would be blacklisted. We started printing the price on the packaging to prevent it, and it also got implemented in contracts.
 
When we get back the real competition.
Radeon HD 4890 which was once upon a time the fastest single-GPU graphics card from AMD/ATi was just $195 several months after its release.

This is the same as having for example the Radeon RX 5700 XT costing $195 + some inflation levels (like maximum +25%).

Key points are:
- current world lock-down situation;
- mining craze;
- new practices of any (even if low) stock being sold out to scalpers who resell later on other websites;

The supply is so bad most probably because the production in Taiwan is closed/doesn't work - if TSMC doesn't produce chips, we won't get cards.
The same for any other component on the bill of materials lists.
 
The good thing is that any continuously going for years price increases are not sustainable - there will be a point where the customers will indeed stop the buying and the balloon will explode.

The wages don't increase with the same speed as the prices.
 
The good thing is that any continuously going for years price increases are not sustainable - there will be a point where the customers will indeed stop the buying and the balloon will explode.

The wages don't increase with the same speed as the prices.

They'll just price them so that those who do buy will make up for those who don't. This is the way PC hardware used to be in the early days, and it won't bode well for PC gaming.
 
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