It wasn't particularly serious...
Which industry? And which industry do you expect to step up to management in? Do you have any experience in that other industry or indeed any management experience?
When younger people are more senior at work
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It wasn't particularly serious...
Which industry? And which industry do you expect to step up to management in? Do you have any experience in that other industry or indeed any management experience?
It's life, my new boss is half my age, so what?
You can resent this fact or you can use your knowledge and experience to help guide and mentor the young chappies! That being said, ofc that depends whether they are open to using your years or are too full of themselves to realise the value they have in you
You can resent this fact or you can use your knowledge and experience to help guide and mentor the young chappies! That being said, ofc that depends whether they are open to using your years or are too full of themselves to realise the value they have in you
It's a common mistake to believe that just because you are competent at a job, that you will be competent managing people who do that job (or managing people doing *any* job)
Management is a completely different skillset, what management training have you had?
Many people have a deluded perspective on leadership, the need for it, its impact, how hard or easy it is and the journey you have to take to get there. Many businesses do too, but that’s a whole different discussion.
It’s just telling people what to do and kissing the backside of those above after all, everyone who isn’t one knows that.
“I can do that, I can be a manager. Giza job, go on, giza”
It’s just telling people what to do and kissing the backside of those above after all, everyone who isn’t one knows that.
“I can do that, I can be a manager. Giza job, go on, giza”
My industry is advertising. I have lots of business ideas for other industries but have never had any ideas for advertising because I've got no clue what it's about and nothing makes sense. I also hate adverts.
I studied Business Management at university but I've never been a manager. A previous manager wanted to get in a junior for me to manage but he couldn't get approval from those above him. It's not like I've been asked to be a manager and said no but like I said I don't want to be a manager in the industry I'm in.
I studied Business Management at university but I've never been a manager. A previous manager wanted to get in a junior for me to manage but he couldn't get approval from those above him. It's not like I've been asked to be a manager and said no but like I said I don't want to be a manager in the industry I'm in.
Your enthusiasm and raw passion for your role really shines through. I cannot understand why you have not been promoted.
So in summary; you work in an industry you hate, for a company you hate, where everyone is younger than you (which you hate), you don't want to manage people and don't generate any ideas for adverts (which you hate).
The people managing you are the ones that like the industry, like the company, can generate ideas and can make the company money.
Speaking frankly, it sounds like you're just there for somewhere to go from 9-5 that pays the rent/mortgage, and you appear surprised that you're not the CEO already. How do you deal with annual/performance reviews? Just do the bare minimum to stay under the radar?
The people managing you are the ones that like the industry, like the company, can generate ideas and can make the company money.
Speaking frankly, it sounds like you're just there for somewhere to go from 9-5 that pays the rent/mortgage, and you appear surprised that you're not the CEO already. How do you deal with annual/performance reviews? Just do the bare minimum to stay under the radar?
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Obvious troll is obvious. If not, Jesus H Christ, what a sad state of affairs.
I've been told that I'm really good at my specialism which has nothing to do with advertising but no so good on the business side of things. I'd be better at the business side of things if I was in a different industry.
I once worked for one of Mark Reads companies. He caused a stir a couple of years ago by bragging that the average age of his employees is under 30. I had no idea what that company was about. The point of that companies existence still remains a mystery to me.
Around 10 years ago I had an interview for a job in a more ideal industry. I was told my would be manager wanted to give me the job but his manager overruled and said no because I didn't have management experience.
I once worked for one of Mark Reads companies. He caused a stir a couple of years ago by bragging that the average age of his employees is under 30. I had no idea what that company was about. The point of that companies existence still remains a mystery to me.
Around 10 years ago I had an interview for a job in a more ideal industry. I was told my would be manager wanted to give me the job but his manager overruled and said no because I didn't have management experience.
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There are people of every generation who are cleverer and more skilled at things than others, as you get older more are born, get used to it. It is a good thing.
I don't really want to say incase someone from work is on here and identifies me. It's something that has nothing to do with advertising and there are people who do a decent job of it without knowing anything about advertising but you do hit a glass ceiling if you're not an industry expert which I'm not.
A colleague from a few years ago knew nothing about advertising but was good at the specialism. He moved to a completely different industry and worked his way up to vice president.
A colleague from a few years ago knew nothing about advertising but was good at the specialism. He moved to a completely different industry and worked his way up to vice president.
I wouldn't say I'm oblivious to this, there are occasions where I am 'envious' of what a younger person has achieved, especially if I worked with them when they had a more junior role (i.e. I'm thinking "how has that person managed to land that job in that space of time without more stepping stones in between?"). But in some ways that can be inspiring, making me think that I could achieve similar.
My current employer is the first place I've worked where I think I'm significantly older than the average person. The next 'rung up' is mostly populated by people seemingly about 10 years younger than me and the founding directors are about 5 years younger. This isn't something that bothers me, I'm happy to work with younger people in a position of seniority. There have been rare occasions when I've felt their lack of experience has perhaps seen them backed into a corner and made slightly difference decisions than I would have done but that doesn't mean to say they don't have the aptitude to succeed (I'm sure I made similar errors at the same age).
I think this discussion also needs to be considered from the other side, i.e. if you are a young person in a position of seniority, how does it feel to engage with older subordinates? I never really had a problem with it but I was mid-30s before I moved into management anyway. Occasionally I see young people in senior roles be a little hesitant when dealing with older, outspoken individuals.
My current employer is the first place I've worked where I think I'm significantly older than the average person. The next 'rung up' is mostly populated by people seemingly about 10 years younger than me and the founding directors are about 5 years younger. This isn't something that bothers me, I'm happy to work with younger people in a position of seniority. There have been rare occasions when I've felt their lack of experience has perhaps seen them backed into a corner and made slightly difference decisions than I would have done but that doesn't mean to say they don't have the aptitude to succeed (I'm sure I made similar errors at the same age).
I think this discussion also needs to be considered from the other side, i.e. if you are a young person in a position of seniority, how does it feel to engage with older subordinates? I never really had a problem with it but I was mid-30s before I moved into management anyway. Occasionally I see young people in senior roles be a little hesitant when dealing with older, outspoken individuals.
This is exactly what I'm saying. In my first job (not advertising) there was a senior manager who I would have guessed to be in his late 30s at the time who as far as I could tell was everything you'd ask for from a senior manager and he'd made his way up the ranks in that company. He employed a 64 year old who'd been there done that and bought the t-shirt and even once ran his own company. It just seemed wrong that he was reporting into someone so much younger than him.
Early on in my career I had an interview for a job I didn't get (not advertising) with the MD who was 44 at the time (I checked companies house). He said were I to get the job it would be several years before I'd be sent out to see clients because nobodies going to take what a 25 year old has to say seriously.
Now I'm not that much younger than that MD was at the time and find myself not being able to take what a 20 something has to say seriously but suddenly they're the ones who have the power. I question how did that happen.
OK I admit I should have made the effort to move industry as soon as I reached the point I didn't want to be promoted anymore or even before then.
On the subject of knowing people junior there was a graduate at the company I was working at 13 years ago who is very senior at the company he works for now and has been for some time. I still think of him as being a graduate though.
I'm annoyed that the CEO of BP is 3 years younger than me.
That should be my job as I am older!!!
To be fair I'd not take there drop in earnings, but still, age n stuff means important as my old MD told me when I was 11.
Look in a mirror, that is the issue, not the age of those above.
That should be my job as I am older!!!
To be fair I'd not take there drop in earnings, but still, age n stuff means important as my old MD told me when I was 11.
Look in a mirror, that is the issue, not the age of those above.