Where did Dx10.1 from Vantage go, Nvidia knows

[thegoonden]

Sorry, I was meaning your reference towards DX10.1 being pointless. From what I've seen it looks pretty good to be honest so that's why I'm confused to what you have said. I know Vantage is the title name but you can't ignore the Assassins Creed results with Vista SP1 and without SP1 and the fact that Nvidia are wanting ATI's use of DX10.1 in this title wiped out. Nvidia has it's logo on a lot of titles and to think that there could be an AA improvement to be had in more games but not allowed because of Nvidia's bullying is worrying.

We are all wanting new technologies and really expected to see them from Nvidia first as they've been in the driving seat over the the last year and a half. Now that ATI have this and it's being used in a game that is quite popular and on release today with glowing results so far then I hope you can understand why people are bothered by this?.

James.Miller this is the only review I've seen so far. It's pretty interesting if this is what DX10.1 will bring. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ5Myw4LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I agree it's a touch concerning, but I would surmise that by the time more games use it, ATI and Nvidia will both have working implementations.

Of course it's annoying when a company throws it's weight about. But I'm more worried about, for instance, microsoft trying to have it's broken proprietry formats adopted as a legitimate standard. That's why I said it was funny seeing a discussion about corporate evils from people with Micro$oft intallations on their boxen. You expect this from revolutionary penguinista's, but when one's whole machine is based on theft and bullyiing, surely people get used to the idea

Assassin's creed, oddly enough, is the only thing Ive got that runs better in Vista.

Just thinking though, suppose Vantage had come out 18months ago, with Dx10 support, there's folks here who'd have blamed Nvidia for that too.

I'm no Nvidia Fanboy, still harbour a grudge for the death of 3dfx (remember them, video accelerators that actually accelerated the video by a measurable factor). But equally I dislike the ATIsts, (and that's despite prefering AMD over Intel), because I've owned exactly ONE ATi 3d card (a 9800pro) and will never ever let another one touch a machine I own, the thing was a virus with an edge connector. (Just so you know, how biased I am and why).

 

[james.miller]

I'm no Nvidia Fanboy, still harbour a grudge for the death of 3dfx (remember them, video accelerators that actually accelerated the video by a measurable factor). But equally I dislike the ATIsts, (and that's despite prefering AMD over Intel), because I've owned exactly ONE ATi 3d card (a 9800pro) and will never ever let another one touch a machine I own, the thing was a virus with an edge connector. (Just so you know, how biased I am and why).

one bad experiance does not a bad card make. or something like that lol. the 9800's were fabulous cards and its a shame you didnt get on with them, but your opinion of them is way off the mark. i think ive owned an equal number of cards as it goes. wait let me check:

nvidia geforce 2mx
nvidia geforce 4mx
ati 9500np (blew up)
ati 9500np
ati 9700pro
ATi x800gto2
nvidia 8800 gtx

^^^ yep, equal. my next card will be whatever gives me the most for the money, nvidia or ati. there isnt much i can say about either that hasnt been said a million times before, but they are both as bad as eachother.

edit: whoops, forogt abouu my kickass little x800gto2 there. thats one to ati then!

 

[Shocky-FM]

thats interesting. according to that graph, the 9800gtx is bang on with the 3870x2 with 4xmsaa enable and dx10.1 installed. so it begs the question then: what have nvidia got to loose by 'allowing' futuremark to go ahead with a dx10.1 benchmark? should we really assume nvidia will be worried that a dual gpu 3870 is right on par with a single 9800gtx, but doing so with worse image quality?

They have nothing to lose, and I doubt futuremark would pay any attention to pressure from nvidia anyway, but the topic is hilarious, 3dmark Vantage probably never had any DX10.1 tests to start with so it hasn’t gone anywhere, I've like to see some proof saying otherwise before I even entertain the idea that it was removed.

 

[Final8y]

one bad experiance does not a bad card make. or something like that lol. the 9800's were fabulous cards and its a shame you didnt get on with them, but your opinion of them is way off the mark. i think ive owned an equal number of cards as it goes. wait let me check:

nvidia geforce 2mx
nvidia geforce 4mx
ati 9500np (blew up)
ati 9500np
ati 9700pro
nvidia 8800 gtx

^^^ yep, equal. my next card will be whatever gives me the most for the money, nvidia or ati. there isnt much i can say about either that hasnt been said a million times before, but they are both as bad as eachother.

You would say Nvidia are worse than ati..but i woulds like to hear your definition of bad.

 

[james.miller]

You would say Nvidia are worse than ati..but i woulds like to hear your definition of bad.

no i would say they both have mislead and played dirty tricks in the past.

They have nothing to lose, and I doubt futuremark would pay any attention to pressure from nvidia anyway, but the topic is hilarious, 3dmark Vantage probably never had any DX10.1 tests to start with so it hasn’t gone anywhere, I've like to see some proof saying otherwise before I even entertain the idea that it was removed.

i know, great isnt it.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Its all over the net, when it was in testing stages (allegedly) it did have Dx10.1, as testers were reporting that the 2nd test, Calico, couldn't be ran on the 8 series, as that test used Dx10.1, now isn't it funny that now in the final release, the Calico test runs fine on the 8 series.

One of many here :-
http://www.dvhardware.net/article24114.html

 

[VortexA1]

So much nVidia bashing on these forums these days. :/

What's the big deal with DX10.1 not being included? It's used in how many games? I can't even name one. It might be the "latest" technology, but if it's not used yet, why include it?

I know ATI made a big deal about 10.1 and all, but it really is just a miniscule update to the already struggling DX10, so including it seems pointless at this current time.

It's not a miniscule update - it allows new shading and
texturing capabilities and anti-aliasing improvements.

Apparently it improves anti-aliasing a fair deal .

There you go - dx10 starts to do good and Nvidia are planning to take it off of Assassins Creed.

Nice.

 

[Shocky-FM]

Its all over the net, when it was in testing stages it did have Dx10.1, as testers were reporting that the 2nd test, Calico couldn't be ran on the 8 series, as it used Dx10.1, funny how now in the final release, Calico runs fine on the 8 series.

One of many here :-
http://www.dvhardware.net/article24114.html

Thats not proof and the fact you think it is scares me.

 

[Tute]

I don't know if it's true or not - but who cares anyway as there are no games for Dx10.1 yet and there won't be until support arrives from both manufacturers.

This thread is 100% pure flamebait though, there are some really feral nVidia supporters on these boards.

 

[james.miller]

It's not a miniscule update - it allows new shading and
texturing capabilities and anti-aliasing improvements.

Apparently it improves anti-aliasing a few deal .

There you go - dx10 starts to do good and Nvidia are planning to take it off of Assassins Creed.

Nice.

if assassins creed is anything to go by, it did nothing other than improve speed at the cost of IQ. not really a great feature but all the same, im making no judgment....yet.

I don't know if it's true or not - but who cares anyway as there are no games for Dx10.1 yet and there won't be until support arrives from both manufacturers.

This thread is 100% pure flamebait though, there are some really feral nVidia supporters on these boards.

tbh that statement is more true of ATI right now.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I know its not actual confirmation, that would only come from Futuremark, but lets be honest, are they going to admit it, nope.

Its just what was being reported all over the net in Vantage's early stages.

Edited above post now, as i missed out allegedly.

Fear not though, as ATi would have done the same if in Nvidia's shoes, as they are both as bad as each other at the end of the day.

 

[Tute]

tbh that statement is more true of ATI right now.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

 

[james.miller]

Riiiiiiiiiight.

your talking of wild nvidia supporters right? where are they? these days its all about 'nvidia's drivers', 'nvidia's old cards' (boooring). where are these ferel nvidia supporters as you put it?

 

[Tute]

your talking of wild nvidia supporters right? where are they? these days its all about nvidia drivers, nvidia's old cards. where are these ferel nvidia supporters as you put it?

I'm hardly going to start naming them as that would simply push the thread further into the pits of fire.

You're just going to have to believe me on this one.

 

[james.miller]

I'm hardly going to start naming them as that would simply push the thread further into the pits of fire.

You're just going to have to believe me on this one.

well i dont, sorry. this forum is dominated by ati supporters unfortunately, and you havent done anything to prove otherwise

 

[Gerard]

Its not hard to take a look around and see who are the die hard nvidia supporters are. Really if you dont know who they are you must not frequent the gfx forum much. One seems to get suspended never every few weeks for flamebait comments.

 

[Tute]

well i dont, sorry. this forum is dominated by ati supporters unfortunately, and you havent done anything to prove otherwise

*sigh*

I'm not going to be tricked into starting a fight i'm afraid. You'll just have to remain incorrect.

 

[james.miller]

Its not hard to take a look around and see who are the die hard nvidia supporters are. Really if you dont know who they are you must not frequent the gfx forum much. One seems to get suspended never every few weeks for flamebait comments.

one. and he gets suspended for his attitude, regardless of who he supports and it was because of posts in other forums, too. how many people have had a dig at nvidia in this very thread without rational thought? and now how many have done the same to ati, in this thread?

jesus both ati and nvidia are far from perfect but come on. when something as argument-provoking as this is posted the worms come out of the woodwork alright.

*sigh*

I'm not going to be tricked into starting a fight i'm afraid. You'll just have to remain incorrect.

fight? good lord. this entire forum is dominated by a few key posters who have nothing good to say about nvidia. just because i dont post here much doesnt mean i keep up to day with whats going on, here and in the real world. im not stupid so it'd be a good idea not to treat me as such. for every post slating ati, you yourself will find far more slating nvidia.

anyway if you think im trying to start an argument lets not continue this discussion. perhaps it is beyond people here?

 

[Tute]

LOL!

 

[BubbySoup]

Personally, I would say this forum is more pro-nVidia than ATI.

For some strange reason, nVidia fanboys remind me of the Alliance, whilst ATI extremists are definitely more horde-like in their actions