Where is the first floor?

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dl8860 said:
Does this mean we've won? :p
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if by winning you agree with the following then yes

1. the ground floor is a floor
2. a floor is a base structure between walls which people walk on, it can also mean the elevated levels in a building
3. the first floor built, is the first one built
4. the numbering system used (depending on the country) has nothing to do with the chronological order the floors were constructed
5. the english language has words with multiple meanings
6. If you have 1 mars bar in your hand you have 1 mars bar in your hand not 2
7. If you have 0 mars bar, you don't have any mars bars
8. Not all buildings you visit hand out free apples
9. A dolphin is a dolphin, not a shark

Think that pretty much sums up the thread
 
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Tuppy_Glossop said:
Anyone fancy a go at Aluminium v Aluminum ? :D
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1808 Sir Humphry Davy, the British chemist who discovered the metal, named it “alumium.” With just one “i” and an “ium” ending, it straddled the two competing versions we have today.

Four years later, however, Davy changed his mind and gave the metal the name “aluminum” (yup, the one-”i” American version). In his book Elements of Chemical Philosophy, published in 1812, Davy wrote, “As yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state. “

But later that same year other scientists decided “aluminum” didn’t sound sufficiently Latin, so they began calling it “aluminium.” Here’s a quote from the Quarterly Review: “Aluminium, for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound.”

The scientists also perhaps believed the “ium” ending was more consistent with other elements. However, “aluminum,” as we know, isn’t the only element to break the “ium” pattern. Not to mention the elements with entirely different names, like gold, copper, zinc, nickel, sulfur, hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon, boron, argon, krypton, iron, tungsten, neon, mercury, iodine, tin, and others.

At any rate, throughout the 19th century, both “aluminum” and “aluminium” could be found in the US as well as in Britain, though the “ium” ending was predominant in British English.

This was such a rare metal in the 1800s, though, that we’re not talking about a common household word; it was mainly known among scientists.

Only at the turn of the century, when production on a large scale became practical, did the name of the metal start becoming a familiar word. And that’s when Americans – after some to-ing and fro-ing, of course – began to clearly prefer the simpler “aluminum” (which had been favored, incidentally, by Noah Webster).

Eventually “aluminum” became the standard name for the metal in North America and was officially adopted in the 1920s by the American Chemical Society.

Elsewhere, though, scientists generally use “aluminium.” The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry uses “aluminium” as the standard international spelling but also recognizes “aluminum” as a variant.
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Its not about what to call the first floor of the building, Ground floor, First floor either one is good, i personally would always use ground floor but where we get it wrong is when we call the second floor the first floor and so on.
 
glen8 said:
if by winning you agree with the following then yes

1. the ground floor is a floor
2. a floor is a base structure between walls which people walk on, it can also mean the elevated levels in a building
3. the first floor built, is the first one built
4. the numbering system used (depending on the country) has nothing to do with the chronological order the floors were constructed
5. the english language has words with multiple meanings
6. If you have 1 mars bar in your hand you have 1 mars bar in your hand not 2
7. If you have 0 mars bar, you don't have any mars bars
8. Not all buildings you visit hand out free apples
9. A dolphin is a dolphin, not a shark

Think that pretty much sums up the thread
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But that doesn't answer the crux of the question.

How do you derive at the fact that it is call a first floor?

The first floor you walk into or the first floor it is built?

What if the first floor that the builders built is not in fact the first floor you actually walk into? What happens then ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
 
Raymond Lin said:
But that doesn't answer the crux of the question.

How do you derive at the fact that it is call a first floor?

who is doing the calling? architects in a meeting, customers in a shopping mall? UK subjects, or US citizens?

The first floor you walk into or the first floor it is built?

depending on the building, you can walk into floors at different levels (like meadowhall I think)

What if the first floor that the builders built is not in fact the first floor you actually walk into? What happens then ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

Who cares?
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The last one. Where you said who cares.

And what if a building has 3 entrances at different levels.

What if a building is constructed via steel frame. Then on the same day, 2 different teams of builders lay down a floor each?
 
Raymond Lin said:
The last one. Where you said who cares.

And what if a building has 3 entrances at different levels.

What if a building is constructed via steel frame. Then on the same day, 2 different teams of builders lay down a floor each?
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Chronilogically speaking in the order they were built. That's not what you're asking though is it.

I think what you are asking, is what the customers see when walking into the building. In that case, it doesn't matter. They only need to follow a logical pattern and be well presented in order to avoid confusion.
 
glen8 said:
Chronilogically speaking in the order they were built. That's not what you're asking though is it.

I think what you are asking, is what the customers see when walking into the building. In that case, it doesn't matter. They only need to follow a logical pattern and be well presented in order to avoid confusion.
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I asked you 3 questions.

If its in the order they were built, I just gave you a scenario where it was built at the same time.

If it is when the customer walks into the building, what does it not matter? That was half your argument ! What logical pattern are you presenting here exactly?

By missing out the ground floor totally ?
 
What if I built identical 2 buildings side by side, like the old WTC.

1st one I purposesly built the 5th floor first.
2nd one I built the 3rd floor first.

When they are done, they will be the same in every way.

What are you going to do then?
 
window said:
Its not about what to call the first floor of the building, Ground floor, First floor either one is good, i personally would always use ground floor but where we get it wrong is when we call the second floor the first floor and so on.
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may as well quote myself
 
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