Which Music Player are you using?

Windows Media Player.

I used to use Winamp, but WMP just gives me much better sound quality. It's strange, but I'm not spending hours researching and configuring Winamp when WMP just works out of the box. And when it's minimised to the system tray it's quite small and neat.
 
The biggest problem with iPods is that if you wear white headphones you may be more likely to get robbed now, everyone thinks white headphones = iPod.

"oh i bet hes got an ipod ennit"

I changed my headphones from the white defaults straight away, they suck anyway. :p
 
BoomAM said:
You didnt bring up any of those. You focused on looks.
Its all very well bring it up now you've been challenged.;)
james.miller said:
lol. the ipod wins over the masses because its form over function "oooh that looks pretty"

that was my first reply to you. of course that implies that other players can do more and do it better. what else would form over function imply? in laymens terms, it sacrifices in area's in order to achieve what it was set out to do. look good. thats why nano's are so thin, thats why ipod video's are so thin ect. thats common sence and everybody else whould have realised what i implied right there and then.
You cant even recognise the starting point of this discussion, and thats the ease of use of iPod/iTunes compared to all other competitors, which as you claim to 'tell it as it is', you dont seem to be able to admit that.

i dont see what i have to admit? how is syncing a player in itunes and then browsing through id3 tags any easier than copying your rip straight to the player and browsing by folder structure? yes they are easy to use, but your spinning that and saying other players arent easy to use. different quite possible, but not in any way hard(er)


The D2 doesnt do it all better. It still suffers from the same flaw every other player does, ease of putting music on it.
no it really is as easy as copying a folder from one place to another.

And how can i ignore these points when you've never made them!
Where have you made those points!? You havnt!?

when i said you were naive:)

james.miller said:
yes i do my d2 is superior to a nano in every single way bar looks. its naive to think ipods arent geared toward looks over function. because there are certainly better sounding, longer lasting, better players with better displays, better codec support and better manufacturer support

and you replied by telling me i had one critisism :o if apple brought out a player that did everything my d2 did (same size screen as an ipod video (but better quality), 50 hours battery life, upgradable memory, exceptional sound quality) and looked as good as an apple player, id buy it in an instant. there, that's the gauntlet laid down. where's my bias now?
 
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james.miller said:
that was my first reply to you. of course that implies that other players can do more and do it better. what else would form over function imply? in laymens terms, it sacrifices in area's in order to achieve what it was set out to do. look good. thats why nano's are so thin, thats why ipod video's are so thin ect. thats common sence and everybody else whould have realised what i implied right there and then.
Who is this everyone else you speak of eh?
The purpose of an iPod is to play MP3s. It does. It doesnt try to do anything else, its not trying to play radio, oggs, flacs, ect;, its designed as, and functions as, an MP3 player. Thats what it does, and it does so very very well.

i dont see what i have to admit? how is syncing a player in itunes and then browsing through id3 tags any easier than copying your rip straight to the player and browsing by folder structure? yes they are easy to use, but your spinning that and saying other players arent easy to use. different quite possible, but not in any way hard(er)
This is amazing me, it really is.
How is doing all that easyier than just plugging in the iPod to update your music?
I havnt said that others are harder, ive said that iPods are the easyest to use.

when i said you were naive:)
...because we are all mind readers. How were we to know that being called naive was actually an abriviated way of saying all that? Who knew!
Dont talk rubbish. Trying to back track and justify your claim of 'all those points you've ignored' being contained in one insignificant and none related comment like that its complete nonscence.
I cant belive your even trying that one, i'd have expected more from you than that. :p

and you replied by telling me i had one critisism :o if apple brought out a player that did everything my d2 did (same size screen as an ipod video (but better quality), 50 hours battery life, upgradable memory, exceptional sound quality) and looked as good as an apple player, id buy it in an instant. there, that's the gauntlet laid down. where's my bias now?
The bias is still there. Because you are dismissing what is a perfectly good MP3 player based on points that cant possibly be proved, at the moment.

20 hours/60Gb/good sound quality is what the 60Gb iPod offers. In a small, flat, none obtrusive package. It plays MP3s well and has more battery life than most people would need anyway.
Admitedly the Nanos dont offer the same capacity, and cant be upgraded, but neither can most MP3 players.
And as good as you say the D2 is, it still doesnt offer the ease of updating that Apple does.
If the D2 worked with iTunes, it would be the perfect sub 10Gb player.
 
BoomAM said:
...because we are all mind readers. How were we to know that being called naive was actually an abriviated way of saying all that? Who knew!
everybody who read that post knew? its in the post, what else do you want?
Dont talk rubbish. Trying to back track and justify your claim of 'all those points you've ignored' being contained in one insignificant and none related comment like that its complete nonscence.
sure whatever. when all else fails "dont talk rubbish"
The bias is still there. Because you are dismissing what is a perfectly good MP3 player based on points that cant possibly be proved, at the moment.
what cant be proved?
20 hours/60Gb/good sound quality is what the 60Gb iPod offers. In a small, flat, none obtrusive package. It plays MP3s well and has more battery life than most people would need anyway.
right so because the battery life is less than some of the competition its not a case of "its worse", its now "well its more than people need anyway". yet you accuse me of having a bias?
Admitedly the Nanos dont offer the same capacity, and cant be upgraded, but neither can most MP3 players.
my d2 can. and again, whe i give you an example of something other players can do better, you make excuses.
And as good as you say the D2 is, it still doesnt offer the ease of updating that Apple does.
i cant see how that is any harder? not having to write perfect tags (although you can of course download them using EAC or whatever it is you rip with). copy straight to the player or the memory card. its a piece of cake,yet you make it sound like its so hard lol
If the D2 worked with iTunes, it would be the perfect sub 10Gb player.
the d2 is the best sub 10gb player, and ive already given you all the reason needed to prove that. who's showing bias now? me, or you because you'll discount all the features it has over a nano because it doesnt (unimportantly) work with itunes?

it's my turn to say im not going to respond to you now, because you are talking utter trash.
I cant belive your even trying that one, i'd have expected more from you than that.
nice try but one way not to win an argument it to resort to comments like that which are there for one purpose.
 
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Zebede said:
Yea I had that same problem as well, just left it on English US at the moment. I'll have a look for the rdf file later to see if I can do some sort of manual install. How are you getting on with it?
OK thanks. The iPod plugin seems to be causing me a few problems. Otherwise I quite like Songbird. Considering I now use EAC to rip music and not Winamp, I could quite easily switch to Songbird, with the library in Songbird being quite good I think.

What do you think of Songbird then?
 
james.miller said:
everybody who read that post knew? its in the post, what else do you want?
Again who is this everybody?
Prehaps 'everybody' didnt know either?

right so because the battery life is less than some of the competition its not a case of "its worse", its now "well its more than people need anyway". yet you accuse me of having a bias?
Compared to the sub 15hours of yester year, 20 hours is good.

i cant see how that is any harder? not having to write perfect tags (although you can of course download them using EAC or whatever it is you rip with). copy straight to the player or the memory card. its a piece of cake,yet you make it sound like its so hard lol
lol.
Why cant you get this? Its not that C/P is hard, its that compared to just doing ONE thing, its a little antiquated.

the d2 is the best sub 10gb player, and ive already given you all the reason needed to prove that. who's showing bias now? me, or you because you'll discount all the features it has over a nano because it doesnt (unimportantly) work with itunes?
I havnt discounted it at all. I havnt said its a bad player, im saying that if it was as easy to update as an iPod is, it would be perfect, and probably sell a lot more.

it's my turn to say im not going to respond to you now, because you are talking utter trash.
Oh the irony.
This coming from the person who's claiming that manually copying and pasting is easyier than just PLUGGING IN.
Amazing, absolutely amazing.:p.
 
default foobar2000, i couldn't give a s*** what it looks like, just need something that loads 100 gig of mp3s up and doesn't have a massive memory footprint.
 
MarcLister said:
OK thanks. The iPod plugin seems to be causing me a few problems. Otherwise I quite like Songbird. Considering I now use EAC to rip music and not Winamp, I could quite easily switch to Songbird, with the library in Songbird being quite good I think.

What do you think of Songbird then?

Right I got it to work with a rather hashed together method. I installed the English UK language add-on from http://translate.songbirdnest.com/languages/show/184 and then changed the language from File>Language>English (United Kingdom).
Songbird asked to be restarted, which I did then it appeared to be working, at least it said it was working. The rdf file wouldn't download again but when I checked under File>Language, English UK was selected. Have a try of that.

I rather like Songbird, can't say i've used any of the blogging/internet related stuff but it means I can ditch iTunes and use this to update my iPod instead. You're definately right about the library, it's a joy to use.
 
Zebede said:
Right I got it to work with a rather hashed together method. I installed the English UK language add-on from http://translate.songbirdnest.com/languages/show/184 and then changed the language from File>Language>English (United Kingdom).
Songbird asked to be restarted, which I did then it appeared to be working, at least it said it was working. The rdf file wouldn't download again but when I checked under File>Language, English UK was selected. Have a try of that.
THANKS! I knew there should be the language files on the site somewhere but I couldn't find them.

Zebede said:
I rather like Songbird, can't say i've used any of the blogging/internet related stuff but it means I can ditch iTunes and use this to update my iPod instead. You're definately right about the library, it's a joy to use.
Yup. I'm gradually going off Winamp. I used to rip CDs with Winamp then listen to them. Bledd introduced me to EAC and that is brilliant. So half the reason I got Winamp Pro has gone and with the library in Songbird being pretty good from what I've seen so far, Winamp is fast losing its hold on me. One thing I hate about Winamp is that I can customise columns in the media library but I can't do the same when I'm sorting out my iPod. If I can do this with Songbird then Winamp is going, going, GONE.

Like you I haven't used the blogging/podcasting/Internet gubbins yet but I might explore it. I once saw a Pink Floyd side I liked the look of but there were inumerable podcasts to download and manage. The ability of Songbird to just subscribe me to the site and manage it all for me has the potential to open up a new avenue of the Internet to me.

Have you tried any of the extensions? I've got the MinimiseToTray one. :cool: Love that with Thunderbird and thanks to Songbird's being based on Mozilla its easily transferrable.

Quite simply Songbird seems to have the potential to control/organise/sort all of my ripped music BUT also any online podcasts I like as well. It just seems to be able to encompass everything that I could possibly want a program to do.
 
i might give this songbird a whirl later. i did try it last week on linux and it was awful - basically unusable. hopefully the windows version is a little better.... :)
 
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marc2003 said:
i might give this songbird a whirl later. i did try it last week on linux and it was awful. hopefully the windows version is a little better.... :)
Well let us know what you think. I quite like it. As I say, Winamp is fast losing its prestige with me.

What was wrong with the Linux version?
 
Does anyone know if Songbird has Winamp style keyboard shortcuts? So I can pause and play music as well as move up or down tracks in sa playlist? I can't find anything in Songbird so perhaps an extension needed?

james.miller said:
im giving it a go. its take a long while to import my music lol
Wait until you plug yer iPod or whatever in. Flamin' 'eck that took a while.
marc2003 said:
it didn't read the tags in half of my collection. yet i'm very anal about tagging my files. they are all perfect.... :eek:
I noticed a similar issue with my music last night. Thought Media Monkey had done my tags for me, I'm also quite anal about tags. Checked Winamp out and twas the same so a bit more tag work needed.
 
MarcLister said:
Does anyone know if Songbird has Winamp style keyboard shortcuts? So I can pause and play music as well as move up or down tracks in sa playlist? I can't find anything in Songbird so perhaps an extension needed?
D'oh. Found the hotkeys. Might change them as I've no idea what the Pause button is on my wireless Apple keyboard. Will probably change them to the same keys as Winamp uses.
 
MarcLister said:
I noticed a similar issue with my music last night. Thought Media Monkey had done my tags for me, I'm also quite anal about tags. Checked Winamp out and twas the same so a bit more tag work needed.

no it's no good. windows version doesn't read the tags properly either. i'm so anal all my tags even have the same tag types so i don't know what it's problem is? oh well it's only version 0.25. i might give it another go when version 1.0 comes out. :p

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marc2003 said:
no it's no good. windows version doesn't read the tags properly either. i'm so anal all my tags even have the same tag types so i don't know what it's problem is? oh well it's only version 0.25. i might give it another go when version 1.0 comes out. :p
Sometime next decade then?

Have you checked the Songbird site to see if there are any tag problems?
 
MarcLister said:
Sometime next decade then?

Have you checked the Songbird site to see if there are any tag problems?

can't be bothered. look at my screeny above. for the files it does detect tags, there are no song lengths and vice versa. :D
 
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