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Popped into Game today and there were 3 people in front of me pre ordering xboxes. It might not be as unsuccessful as people are predicting.
Poll: Which Next Gen Console will you buy?
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I posted this in the XBOX One thread but it's probably worth reposting here whilst both consoles are being discussed. FWIW I think MS have horribly screwed up the messaging and explanation of what they are trying to do. It needs to be cleared up with definitive details ASAP although much of the damage is already done. You only have to see how many time people here post "Xbox won't allow second hand games" when they have clearly said it will. It's the detail and clarity they are missing which is doing the damage. Without it the reaction to "DRM" was always going to be negative as there's nothing in it for the consumer.
Pearoast below just fyi.
Some more detail and clarification is starting to appear around the DRM stuff. It appears that Microsoft is primarily aiming it at digital downloads in the future as a step towards allowing you to have a digital library of games you can play anywhere whilst reassuring the developers and publishers it won't be opened up to rampant piracy. Interestingly they didn't dismiss a "all you can eat" digital subscription model for games similar to Netflix when it was suggested to them.
Interveiw at http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...game-policies/
They also cleared up some more info about the ability to lend games to friends and family. In effect you will be able to lend a game to up to 10 nominated friends or family, the only restriction is only one person can play it at a time. Sounds really quite useful to me.
Since its announcement, there has been some confusion over the details of sharing your Xbox One game library with up to ten "family members." Mehdi couldn't give comprehensive details but he did clarify some things.
For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's house—I could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my "family members" Mehdi said.
You'll be able to link other Xbox Live accounts as having shared access to your library when you first set up a system, and will also be able to add them later on (though specific details of how you manage these relationships is still not being discussed). The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time. All in all, this does sound like a pretty convenient feature that's more workable than simply passing discs around amongst friends who are actually in your area.
Pearoast below just fyi.
Some more detail and clarification is starting to appear around the DRM stuff. It appears that Microsoft is primarily aiming it at digital downloads in the future as a step towards allowing you to have a digital library of games you can play anywhere whilst reassuring the developers and publishers it won't be opened up to rampant piracy. Interestingly they didn't dismiss a "all you can eat" digital subscription model for games similar to Netflix when it was suggested to them.
Interveiw at http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...game-policies/
They also cleared up some more info about the ability to lend games to friends and family. In effect you will be able to lend a game to up to 10 nominated friends or family, the only restriction is only one person can play it at a time. Sounds really quite useful to me.
Since its announcement, there has been some confusion over the details of sharing your Xbox One game library with up to ten "family members." Mehdi couldn't give comprehensive details but he did clarify some things.
For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's house—I could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my "family members" Mehdi said.
You'll be able to link other Xbox Live accounts as having shared access to your library when you first set up a system, and will also be able to add them later on (though specific details of how you manage these relationships is still not being discussed). The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time. All in all, this does sound like a pretty convenient feature that's more workable than simply passing discs around amongst friends who are actually in your area.
Its too complicated TBH. I’m sorry but it’s just easier with Sony’s idea. You buy a game, and you want to get rid of it. Well do just that, sell it on. Want your friends to play it, erm do that as well, not on your friends or family list for lending games, what list? There is no list for this type of thing for a PS4. You’ve got your PSN friends, but on your list or not, they can play your games.
What MS have done is complicated and caused a bit of a stir.
Oh and Sony saying leave DRM to publishers. Fine, as you don’t have to authenticate single player, and if PS+ doesn’t cover online as its got a pass, again fine. Its simple to understand. You buy a second hand PS4 game, if it needs a pass to play online then simply buy one. If not, then even better, but very least you can play the single player.
Game rentals will be simpler with PS4.
No matter which way you look at it, MS have made a bit of a mistake, either communication or lack of it, or even trying to mask what is basically a draconian way for console gamers to share their games, its still a mistake.
Sony made it simple, hence they have get a better reception.
What MS have done is complicated and caused a bit of a stir.
Oh and Sony saying leave DRM to publishers. Fine, as you don’t have to authenticate single player, and if PS+ doesn’t cover online as its got a pass, again fine. Its simple to understand. You buy a second hand PS4 game, if it needs a pass to play online then simply buy one. If not, then even better, but very least you can play the single player.
Game rentals will be simpler with PS4.
No matter which way you look at it, MS have made a bit of a mistake, either communication or lack of it, or even trying to mask what is basically a draconian way for console gamers to share their games, its still a mistake.
Sony made it simple, hence they have get a better reception.
See thats how i heard it, but i cant think it will be like that, with MS and its not trading in/rental etc stuff surely this goes against that completely. Whos to say you have 10 users as "family" whats to stop you all putting in say £5 each to purchase one game and all 10 play it in turn? So instead of a dev loosing money for pre owned games they could potentially get tenth of the game sales, obviously worst case an all but thats how it could happen looking at the above.
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I am swaying to ps4.........no point with a1000 friend list if not one of them on my current list is going to be on live.
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Slapped a Pre Order down on a PS4 personally
Nothing to do with all this DRM/Kinect/Used/Whatever drama. I'm just not interested in Xbox exclusives. The only one that I'll miss out on is Forza 5 (I bought a 360 slim just for Forza 3/4)
I also have a PS3/Vita at the moment with about 18 months left on my PS Plus sub, Sooo the PS4 coming in cheaper than I expected as well as the extra potential "freebies" and vita integration sweetened the deal for me!
Nothing to do with all this DRM/Kinect/Used/Whatever drama. I'm just not interested in Xbox exclusives. The only one that I'll miss out on is Forza 5 (I bought a 360 slim just for Forza 3/4)
I also have a PS3/Vita at the moment with about 18 months left on my PS Plus sub, Sooo the PS4 coming in cheaper than I expected as well as the extra potential "freebies" and vita integration sweetened the deal for me!
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ive had the ps1, 2 and 3. definitely gonna keep with playstation
Man Im tempted to get 9/10 people I trust on here to get a XO each and a single game and between us swap between them say each month. Obviously we wouldnt share things like BF4 or Forza as theyll always be played but the others one Id happily share with like minded people. Ultimately for the price of 1 game Ill get access to 10 overall. Thats pretty cool and totally above board.See thats how i heard it, but i cant think it will be like that, with MS and its not trading in/rental etc stuff surely this goes against that completely. Whos to say you have 10 users as "family" whats to stop you all putting in say £5 each to purchase one game and all 10 play it in turn? So instead of a dev loosing money for pre owned games they could potentially get tenth of the game sales, obviously worst case an all but thats how it could happen looking at the above.
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. Im not even joking...ps3ud0
I've said it before & I'll say it again, "No always on requirement"
Hence I sway towards the PS4. However, after the debacles that Sony have had over recent years (especially with the network hacks) I would be far more likely to say "Xbox" if it wasn't for that fact. Offline single player is a basic requirement as far as I am concerned.
I may not bother with upgrading for a while - PC gaming is definitely my preference right now.
For reference, I upgraded (console-wise) to a Wii from a megadrive 2 (which I still use from time to time) so I am not adverse to skipping generations
Hence I sway towards the PS4. However, after the debacles that Sony have had over recent years (especially with the network hacks) I would be far more likely to say "Xbox" if it wasn't for that fact. Offline single player is a basic requirement as far as I am concerned.
I may not bother with upgrading for a while - PC gaming is definitely my preference right now.
For reference, I upgraded (console-wise) to a Wii from a megadrive 2 (which I still use from time to time) so I am not adverse to skipping generations
Im not trying to be deviant but to me thats a great way to justify a second console if I was really inclined. Obviously need to wait til we know whats coming out and everything (I expect a price cut before it turns 1). My point in effect still more than stands.
As some others have said here, it goes completely against what they are doing with their other policies so why Im a bit bemused and want to wait til its in 'ink'.
And yes I realise I have no real life friends to share those games with
ps3ud0
Again I think the message a) hasn't been communicated well, probably because it's not all been fully finalised yet and b) has been exaggerated by the Sony faithful.
They want all disc based games to be fully installed ala 360 but so that you can take the discs out and play them on any console you or your family log into.
To get round piracy i.e. install it and pass it or sell it on, the physical disc is linked to your account online.
You will be able to trade it in with certain retailers, I'm guessing Game at first though I see no reason this won't be rolled out further, who will have the resources to reacquire/check the licence at the point you trade it in.
The 24 hour online check is to check/revoke your license of the game if you still have it installed.
It's really no different to many PC apps which make you install and authenticate.
Silly question time (sorry), but do you think retailers will verify who you are before they accept the sale? Ive not sold games other than on MM so dont know, so Im guessing they might need ID to check against the system theyll use?
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Just to be clear the stuff in italics in my post is a direct quote from an interview with Microsoft by ars, not my interpretation for what it's worth. The rest is in the link I posted.
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A Microsoft employee said "The only limitation it seems", it's not a direct quote at all. If lending did work like that between friends and family you could share 10x the amount of single player games for the cost of 1.
It makes no sense. It will have limits. Not sure where I read it but I'm almost certain I read the limit was one time lending per game.
Silly question time (sorry), but do you think retailers will verify who you are before they accept the sale? Ive not sold games other than on MM so dont know, so Im guessing they might need ID to check against the system theyll use?
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I don't see why they would. Once they've 'got' the copy and have the ability to get and guarantee the licence I'm guessing they don't really care where it came from.
One interesting thing from thinking about this, is say your console and games are ever stolen.
You'll be able to log in to your xbox account, put a notice on that they've been stolen and not only would they be flagged as stolen if someone tried to trade them, but you'd be still able to reinstall all of them on a new system.
Well thats where I was going with my question, the system will surely have enough information on the game owner to allow them to verify at POS if required, both ideas seem a legitimate method to avoid selling stolen goods. I doubt retailers really want to be implicated in dealing with stolen goods if they have a mechanism in place for verification...
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It's a direct quote from the interview on ars i.e. I was quoting the interview rather than it being my interpretation.
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