Poll: Which Next Gen Console will you buy?

What will you buy?

  • I will buy both consoles

    Votes: 95 9.7%

  • I will buy an Xbox One only

    Votes: 67 6.8%

  • I will buy a PS4 only

    Votes: 591 60.2%

  • I will buy neither console

    Votes: 108 11.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 121 12.3%
  • Total voters
    982
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m4rk84 said:
They are forcing it on the Xbox One, is what I mean. Not on people, smart people will obviously choose not to be forced to use it and instead use the PS4. :rolleyes:
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You should think about this statement, not everyone who chooses PS4 is "smart" and by extension Xbox "dumb". People choices and requirements vary.

For me, my main gaming platform is PC so amongst other things the Steam model of digital downloads is fine by me, I'm used to it. I also quite like the benefits digital brings me, and, as I've said elsewhere I'm not just after a "pure" gaming console that has all the same games as the last one but with slightly better graphics.

For me I like the innovation and possibilities Xbox one has, in particular as the platform matures. Others will be pure console gaming fans and want to make a stand against digital type DRM.

We really need to get past this "My chosen console is the most amazing thing since the world began and anyone who buys the other one is an idiot" thing just like we could do with getting past the absolutes of MS is the debil and Sony is the saviour of gamers.

You get a lot of push back here because people continue to try and persuade anyone who posts anything positive about the Xbox one that they are wrong and must accept that PS4 is better.

I'm yet to see much from people who are buying Xbox One slating PS4 and trying to persuade people that are buying it that they are wrong. Of course people are defending their decisions and trying to put some positives across. It's hard to have any kind of sensible conversation though where as soon as you post anything remotely level headed or positive about Xbox a rabid few poster descend on the post to pick it apart and try to show everyone the OP is somehow deluded.

I'm happy with my choice and I think the quote I posted from reddit a couple of pages back is the most level headed summary I've seen yet. Just chill a little and just accept that whatever way you look at it we have two awesome consoles coming to market with some great games and just smile. :)
 
Macro said:
You should think about this statement, not everyone who chooses PS4 is "smart" and by extension Xbox "dumb". People choices and requirements vary.

For me, my main gaming platform is PC so amongst other things the Steam model of digital downloads is fine by me, I'm used to it. I also quite like the benefits digital brings me, and, as I've said elsewhere I'm not just after a "pure" gaming console that has all the same games as the last one but with slightly better graphics.

For me I like the innovation and possibilities Xbox one has, in particular as the platform matures. Others will be pure console gaming fans and want to make a stand against digital type DRM.

We really need to get past this "My chosen console is the most amazing thing since the world began and anyone who buys the other one is an idiot" thing just like we could do with getting past the absolutes of MS is the debil and Sony is the saviour of gamers.

You get a lot of push back here because people continue to try and persuade anyone who posts anything positive about the Xbox one that they are wrong and must accept that PS4 is better.

I'm yet to see much from people who are buying Xbox One slating PS4 and trying to persuade people that are buying it that they are wrong. Of course people are defending their decisions and trying to put some positives across. It's hard to have any kind of sensible conversation though where as soon as you post anything remotely level headed or positive about Xbox a rabid few poster descend on the post to pick it apart and try to show everyone the OP is somehow deluded.

I'm happy with my choice and I think the quote I posted from reddit a couple of pages back is the most level headed summary I've seen yet. Just chill a little and just accept that whatever way you look at it we have two awesome consoles coming to market with some great games and just smile. :)
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I guess the main reason I'm being overly pushy with this is because I disagree so strongly with their stance on indie titles. I've enjoyed countless indie games over the years and there are some really great studios that want to get their games onto Xbox One (or even the 360 to that end) but can't because first they need a publisher who will add nothing and fund nothing but get a cut of the profits, and second because they can't patch their games because it costs $50,000.

Your right I was over the top with that statement because it obviously isn't true. However everything I have said about how their trade policy etc. has been true. Creating a monopoly on the second hand market will be a bad thing for the consumer (you). Worse still Microsoft has provided publishers an easy method to completely remove the option to trade, and I'd bet my house that at some point in the life of the One it will be used. Probably pretty often too.
 
Indie Games...just wait and see. MS have barely talked about it.

You only have to look at how successful State of Decay has been in the last few weeks to see how MS support Indie Games.

They've also announced Below, the new game from the guy that made Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery is Xbox One exclusive.

We've got 6 months to launch, they've barely talked about what is happening to XBLA games, there is no way they are dropping it.
 
My current thought is an MS One only but this is the third vote that I've seen where the bias has been 10 to 1 or more in favour of the PS4 :eek:

I think I'll hold off until well into 2014 because I don't want £500 worth of flop under the TV!
 
ps3ud0 said:
Fake as surely they were forced by publishers in the first place? Well thats what their reasoning seemed to be initially...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Maybe they were but now publishers and MS have realised internet nerds rage hard and will backtrack :)

Like when Sony told us gamers don't want rumble in pads :p
 
Shamikebab said:
Indie Games...just wait and see. MS have barely talked about it.

You only have to look at how successful State of Decay has been in the last few weeks to see how MS support Indie Games.

They've also announced Below, the new game from the guy that made Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery is Xbox One exclusive.

We've got 6 months to launch, they've barely talked about what is happening to XBLA games, there is no way they are dropping it.
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I never said they were dropping XBLA?

Their policy on indie titles is very clear, there's nothing to reveal. In order to publish a game on the Xbox One you need a Microsoft authorised publisher, even if you have fully funded the game production yourself. In order to patch your game you need to pay $50,000.

Self publishing and patching is much much better on PS4.
 
m4rk84 said:
Their policy on indie titles is very clear, there's nothing to reveal. In order to publish a game on the Xbox One you need a Microsoft authorised publisher, even if you have fully funded the game production yourself. In order to patch your game you need to pay $50,000.
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Do you have a concrete source on the patching? Or likewise for Sony not charging that? From what I can see it seems to be speculation on both sides. (some saying MS charge for patches after the first, Sony charge for some but can negotiate and also charge depending on patch size)

If you can find sources for their plans for next gen I'd be interested :)
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
If true their pre-orders must be doing worse than they had hoped because they were fully behind DRM a few weeks ago.
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Wouldn't surprise me if they were really poor tbh. They need to bin this DRM bs and drop price to compete and sit back and enjoy the console war :cool: otherwise it's gonna be one-sided and they'll flop like Nintendo did with Wii U :p
 
Shamikebab said:
Do you have a concrete source on the patching? Or likewise for Sony not charging that? From what I can see it seems to be speculation on both sides. (some saying MS charge for patches after the first, Sony charge for some but can negotiate and also charge depending on patch size)

If you can find sources for their plans for next gen I'd be interested :)
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http://www.edge-online.com/news/dayz-set-to-arrive-on-ps4-but-could-skip-xbox-one/

Well it's according to the indie studios themselves. The DayZ team say it's likely they can get the game out to PS4 but there is no hope of Xbox One because first they need to be able to self publish and second they couldnt afford the updates.

When asked whether Microsoft and Sony are still charging for patches, Hall replied: “As far as I’m aware, Microsoft is, Sony’s not. And Sony allows you to self-publish. But who knows? Maybe Microsoft will change. From our perspective, we need self-publishing because DayZ would be a great digital download title.”
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As far as he's aware? That's hardly concrete. I suspect the reality is far more fluid than simply a set fee on either side depending on a number of factors. There are several games that update a fair bit (Minecraft for example) I don't believe that they're all paying for each update.

I can understand the theory behind it though, it does lead to better quality games (I've rarely come across game breaking bugs on XBLA titles for example)
 
biron_w said:
I honestly can't believe people are trying to defend this decision by MS/publishers to possibly block second hand games.
It's utterly ridiculous that we could possibly not be able to sell a game when we don't want it anymore. Or that we may have to go to "selected retailers" if we want to sell/trade.
If I have a game I want to be able to sell it to whoever I want and wherever I want. I can do this with every other single item that I own. Why should games be different?
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You can't do it with Steam games, you can't do it with digitally purchased movies, you can't do it with digitally purchased music.
Xbox One is a digital console, if it were hard copy then you could. That's the decision that was made so you can't compare past to future, it's like comparing Eggs and Oranges.
 
NokkonWud said:
You can't do it with Steam games, you can't do it with digitally purchased movies, you can't do it with digitally purchased music.
Xbox One is a digital console, if it were hard copy then you could. That's the decision that was made so you can't compare past to future, it's like comparing Eggs and Oranges.
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It is a hard copy? .... :rolleyes:
 
Noel Gallagher said:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/microsoft-to-back-track-on-xbox-one-games-drm-and-always-online

Real or fake?
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It could happen - the alternative would be as planned Steam like DRM for digital copies of games and reintroducing a requirement to put the disc in the drive before you play physical media based games. Pretty simple to do I would have thought. They could always reintroduce the digital media oriented DRM in a couple of years as the market takes off (or not as the case might be).

Not sure why any "sources at Microsoft" would be privately leaking to "what hifi" though :)

If they do it i'd be interested to see what the balance is between "lol n00bs" and "Ok, good to see a company actually listening to it's customers".
 
m4rk84 said:
http://www.edge-online.com/news/dayz-set-to-arrive-on-ps4-but-could-skip-xbox-one/

Well it's according to the indie studios themselves. The DayZ team say it's likely they can get the game out to PS4 but there is no hope of Xbox One because first they need to be able to self publish and second they couldnt afford the updates.
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To be fair by their own admission that title is an exceptionally bug ridden pile of poo ;)
"Hall added that Sony’s free patching policy is preferable because there are a lot of bugs in DayZ."
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**edit** sorry, i'm just being naughty :):eek:;):D
 
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Shamikebab said:
As far as he's aware? That's hardly concrete. I suspect the reality is far more fluid than simply a set fee on either side depending on a number of factors. There are several games that update a fair bit (Minecraft for example) I don't believe that they're all paying for each update.

I can understand the theory behind it though, it does lead to better quality games (I've rarely come across game breaking bugs on XBLA titles for example)
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Theres an interview with the Fez developer Phil Fish, why he wont patch the save game bug because it will cost him $40k. That figure was also mentioned by Tim Schafer
Fish has previously said that it'll cost $40,000 to certify another patch, a figure that's also been cited by Double Fine head Tim Schafer. This is part of Microsoft's standard and somewhat contentious rules for Xbox Live releases, which are designed to minimise the number of patches released and ensure that everything that goes on the service has been tested by its own certification team.
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Cant link to rest of interview due to a small sweary...

I did try and find numbers for Sony but all Ive seen is indie developers mention they have removed the barriers to self-publish and casually mention patching. Thats from a Polygon interview with all the indie devs that were on the Sony E3 stage...

I think patching cost is just one of the many things moving indie developers over to Sony though it seems.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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