White man doing a Black thing?

ElRazur

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Last night i was listening to some old school cd when a track came up - It was Snow, Informer. Immediately my friend asked me to skipped to the next track which i did then UB40 was playing red red wine. Immediately he asked me to skip to the next track and guess what Vanilla Ice-Ice ice baby came up!

Ok at this stage my friend made a comment regarding how my cd is wack because im listening to white people trying to do a black thing! I tried to explain to him that i dont really care because i do honestly think those tracks are good tracks (Informer/Ice ice Baby/red red wine). He dosent seem to agree with me and goes on to the extent of almost dissing eminem because he is doing what he consider in his view a black thing.

Fast forward to twenty mins ago when i arrived at work, i asked another colleague at work (a black man from jamaica) and he insist that UB 40 is a load of rubbish and proceed to call them rasclart!! (lol). I told him they aint but he also went down the route of saying they are doing a black thing blah blah blah.

As part of my arguement with my colleague at work, i tried to explain to him that for example Snow's Informer was the fastest selling reggea track of all time but he just said the guy is the wrong colour and he dosent sound black :confused: I think i might see what he meant by that but i personally dont have a problem with any colour doing a black thing as long as it is a good tune so to speak.

This thing is kinda common amongst blacks - being sort of not welcoming other race especially white when it comes to music but i dont see the need for it. For example, in most rap battles ive withnessed between a black guy and a non-black opponent, the first line of attack by the black man is to call the non-black opponent Eminem! This i think is just not called for....

I dont know if it is the other way round i.e a black man punk band or rock etc, Let me know if it is.

Since Ocuk is predominantly caucausian (or non-blacks) I wanna hear what you guys think of artist who are doing things done mostly by black artist. e.g Eminem, Vanilla Ice, UB 40, Snow,... erm Goldie Lookin Chain?... etc. Since they are doing a black thing are they accepted by the white/non-black audience etc..

Thanks.
 
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Well those people are speaking rubbish, what exactly is a "black thing" anyway. Hip hop (the culture, rap music, graffiti, break dance etc.) is very multi cultural, a lot of japanese are into the bboy, a lot of latinos coming through in rap such as daddy yankee, eminem the best rapper of all time who can beat ANYONE in a battle. Being black, the colour of ones skin has naff all to do with anything, not all black people walk around like YO YO YO. The black wannabe gangsters are just chavs, white people do all that **** to.
 
The way i see it is as long as their music is good i couldnt give a flying toss what colour they are. I dont listen nor buy music based on someones colour....
 
Ther are a lot of aesthetic and social stereotypes associated with black people, which is where this all comes from. I must say personally Eminem trying to act black (Because in the end of the day, it is what he's trying to do) does annoy me. Not to the extent of me insulting him or saying that he's trying to do a "Black thing" and that it's wrong, I can just tell he is and I wonder why.
 
I'm sure people wouldn't be happy if you said they were a black man doing a white thing.

Seems a silly arguement to me :confused:
 
Goldie Looking Chain are more of a Pee Take than anything.
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But yeah i know what you mean, I think its because most Hip/Hop comes from black artists. With the gangsta image.

:p
 
Raist said:
FYI: rap originated from a white woman. re: Blondie (Deborah Harry) and the song "Rapture". First rap song.
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HAHAHAHA :D

who gives a smeg, honestly? good music is good music, and those white guys made good music. well ok snow and Vanilla Ice made one good song each, but ub40? how can you diss them??
 
Artists crossing over from one cultures music to the other have to be exceedingly good to win any credibility. Eminem was that when he broke through (he went downhill drastically afterwards in my opinion). There have been notable performers in hip over over the years that have done this also, 3rd Bass in the early 90's being the first real artists to be accepted, not only being white, but jewish to boot.
 
ElRazur said:
I tried to explain to him that i dont really care because i do honestly think those tracks are good tracks
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Racism affects everything it seems and even the music we listen to can be drawn in.

I will say though El that as a black man saying the above, it sums up how easy it can be ignored and you get my respect for that alone.:)
 
Raist said:
FYI: rap originated from a white woman. re: Blondie (Deborah Harry) and the song "Rapture". First rap song.
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Erm I wanna stay neutral in this debate but i think you should check your sources again. If rap originated in the 70s and she released a track in the 80s called rapture i dont see how she invented rap.
 
ElRazur said:
Erm I wanna stay neutral in this debate but i think you should check your sources again. If rap originated in the 70s and she released a track in the 80s called rapture i dont see how she invented rap.
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It was the first 'rap' video, I think, maybe just the first one on MTV. She name checks Fab Five Freddy in it so rap was definitely already established.
 
The first rap record was Rappers Delight, although the godfather of rap is considered to be Cool DJ Herc, he starting spinning records mixing, and people would get up to "rap" over the top of them.

Rappers delight was definetly the first released record though, in the 70's.
 
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Racism is everywhere I'm afraid dude.

Zefan said:
Ther are a lot of aesthetic and social stereotypes associated with black people, which is where this all comes from. I must say personally Eminem trying to act black (Because in the end of the day, it is what he's trying to do) does annoy me. Not to the extent of me insulting him or saying that he's trying to do a "Black thing" and that it's wrong, I can just tell he is and I wonder why.
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I wouldn't say Eminem is trying to be black or trying to act black.

You put a white kid in the middle of a bunch of black kids and raise him there and see how it affects the way he acts, talks, etc. In fact, you could do that for anything at all.
 
Gilly said:
You put a white kid in the middle of a bunch of black kids and raise him there and see how it affects the way he acts, talks, etc. In fact, you could do that for anything at all.
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That's true.
 
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