"whitewashing" garbage

More importantly, of all the people here who do not think that white-washing is important, how many are NOT white?

Perhaps those that are not white should stick it to the man by setting up a film company without racial bias, and become more commercially successful than the racist film companies? I'm sure they'd quickly eliminate the competition, as capitalism will quickly ensure the dominance of the type of film company the market really desires.

That's the only morally correct solution to the alleged problem.
 
How's this any different to the hordes of people who moaned about a potential black James Bond or a Woman Doctor Who? A lot of people sure got in a right tiff about that.
 
They don't have to match the ethnicity 100% but they need to look the part. Personally i don't like any kind of washing, so i find the recent trend of blackwashing and femalewashing just as offensive as whitewashing.
 
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They don't have to match the ethnicity 100% but they need to look the part. Personally i don't like any kind of washing, so i find the recent trend of blackwashing and femalewashing just as offensive as whitewashing.
Thing is, this guy looks exactly like the character he's supposed to play. He was probably the best fit by a country mile. /devils advocate
 
Thing is, this guy looks exactly like the character he's supposed to play. He was probably the best fit by a country mile. /devils advocate

Looking at the comics i don't think i agree in this case, not without doing some questionable Mickey Rooney levels of makeup. So i support the accusation of Whitewashing this in this particular case. Also the same with Ghost in the Shell movie.
 
Looking at the comics i don't think i agree in this case, not without doing some questionable Mickey Rooney levels of makeup. So i support the accusation of Whitewashing this in this particular case. Also the same with Ghost in the Shell movie.

How? Ghost in the shell was entirely fine, she's a bloody robot for one and secondly the source material doesn't really say.
 
Thread inspired by this article:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....says-actor-chloe-bennet-amid-whitewashing-row

Is this really a thing? I'm genuinely open minded about whether it is or not. On the one hand it seems shocking that she had to change her name to get work, but then I think did she really have to do that? Is it maybe coincidence that she hit it off after changing her name, I mean how can she be sure it was down to the name change? Stage names have been a thing since stages were invented. Marion Morrison didn't change his name due to racism, surely?

The actor that pulled out of Hellboy, similar thing ... casting people who bear no relation to the character (Tom Cruise/Jack Reacher) is not restricted to Asian characters?

Thoughts?

Althrough i agree that asian females get the rough end in Hollywood (they almost always got killed in movies until fairly recently) i do wonder what made Lucy Liu so special and got a relatively good career in hollywood?
 
Didn't notice anyone complaining when Roland Deschain was played by Idris Elba...

That's because in the minds of these people it only works the one way. The perpetually offended brigade only get their knickers in a twist when it's a white actor pencilled in to play somebody who may, or may not, be Asian or black in whatever literature the story is lifted from. Yet if anyone dares to question why a black actor is portraying a character who is white in the source material they instantly go into 'but that's racist, you must be a Nazi' mode.
 
What's wrong with trying to keep the film closer to the source material?

That would be fine, but it's not really what's being done for two reasons:

1) Hypocrisy. The same people complaining about "whitewashing" usually consider it to be a good thing to have anyone who isn't "white" playing a character who is "white" in the source material. Hermione from the Harry Potter stories comes to mind as an example. And yes, she was explicitly described that way in the books, i.e. the source material. Pale-skinned even for someone who is "white".

2) It's not really about the keeping the film closer to the source material anyway. It's only about "race". It doesn't matter if the person doesn't look like the character in the source material or doesn't sound like them. Using makeup to make a "white" actor look like a "not white" character in the source material would attract a fury of condemnation, but it wouldn't attract any if it was about keeping the film closer to the source material. If it was about keeping the film closer to the source material, all that would be relevant is that the actor playing the character looked like the character while playing the character. Actors often wear make-up while working - it's a common part of the job.

For example, I'd have no issue with a "black" actor playing, say, Winston Churchill, as long as they were made up to look at least quite like Winston Churchill while filming. Or a "white" actor playing, say, Martin Luther King on the same basis. Because my position is that its generally better to keep closer to the source material, not that "race" is of paramount importance and not that racist hypocrisy is a good thing.

well exactly, people just have double standards when it comes to these things, there are black actors in Shakespeare productions too for example, no one really minds about that but cast a white guy in a film about say ancient Egypt and you get outrage, ironically often from African Americans with some bizarre notation that they're the true descendants of the Egyptians rather than the light brown skinned people living there today.

It's also worth bearing in mind that in Egypt at the time the film was set most of the people being portrayed were descendents of Greeks and would therefore have quite pale skin. That was particularly true of the royal family, which was so much into the "royal bloodline" thing that they usually married their own siblings.
 
As long as it fits into the story and into the character then who cares.

ie) A black Bond? Sure. A female Bond? No. The entire background to the character relies on the character being a male who never had a mother and was brought up emotionless as a result, a female Bond would have too much empathy by default.

1) Women aren't all the same. Strange but true! So that objection doesn't hold water - it's far from implausible to have a woman with the same character.
2) The films have deviated from the source material with regards to Bond's character right from the start. Bond in the books is a very different person to Bond in the films.
3) The source material has Bond being 35 years old in 1955. It also states that he would be forced to retire at 42, i.e. in 1962. So the Bond in a Bond film set after 1962 isn't the same character as the source material anyway. It's a false name, a cover identity.
 
If Hollywood had to adhere to these ridiculous rules regarding casting accurately, Star Wars wouldn't exist.

We've now had an actress claim that she had to change her name to get roles, and that it's racist... Like stage names are a new concept. :rolleyes:

It's bizarre the way things are heading these days.
 
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