Who are you voting for on Thursday?

Think it will be LD for me. Until I get there, the only others I know standing in my area are:

Labour - Not this time
BNP - I don't buy the cover stories for their racist agenda
UKIP - BNP in nicer suits
Conservatives - Have never in my lifetime had a cohesive approach on Europe and seriously encroached in to BNP immigration policy territory at the last gen and their leaflet through the door quoting things about the opposition from the horribly xenophobic Daily Mail and Daily Express, as well as slightly less xenophobic papers Daily Star and The Sun.
Probably a few independents again who don't bother telling anybody what they are standing for.
 
Cuchulain said:
Does agreeing with all of these policies make me a racist nazi loving nationalist? No, and to be fair, I couldn't give a toss if it did.
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Is it too late to Godwin this thread? :p

You may not be a racist yourself but if you vote for the BNP you will be supporting racists.

It's also very easy to come up with a list of popularlist policies. What's a lot harder is putting them into action. How are these policies going to be financed, for example? Does the BNP have a detail budget breakdown? And how have BNP councillors performed against their policies where they have been elected?

I urge everyone to do their research before voting. BNP councillors have a history of low attendence and poor performance.
 
Tunney said:
I urge everyone to do their research before voting. BNP councillors have a history of low attendence and poor performance.
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I urge research too. Research the fact that councillors of the other parties club together to exclude the BNP councillors from their cosy circle and make it impossible for them to do their jobs. They then unite in condemning them to hurt the BNP's vote.

I think anyone who stands election for the BNP is a brave individual, faced as they are with discrimination, possible violence against themselves and their property, and possible sacking from their jobs. They deserve our support.
 
Cuchulain said:
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! - Check

DEFENCE - no more cuts! - Check
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Not going to put much effort into pointing out that the BNP's policies are basically a list of completely unfounded things that they think will win them support and will never be able to put into practice (as to be fair are most parties pre-election policies). But, where do you think the defence budget gets spent? because on the whole it's delivering one form or another of foreign aid. The amount of money we give to other struggling countries (out of the tax coffers) absolutely pales into insignificance compared to the amount we spend on having troops supporting, helping develop or "liberating" (:rolleyes:) those countries.

I don't think it's a bad thing that our troops do things around the world, most of which is beneficial to another country, I just think it's retarded to ask for two contradictory things just because people like you will read through it and say, yep, sounds good, where's my voting slip?
 
Tunney said:
It's also very easy to come up with a list of popularlist policies. What's a lot harder is putting them into action. How are these policies going to be financed, for example? Does the BNP have a detail budget breakdown? And how have BNP councillors performed against their policies where they have been elected?
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Ah you posted while I was writing, you've got it spot on though, I think the only reason they use quite such an outlandish list of promises is because they know they're not really going to get any power.
 
Of course it is possible to spend the same or more on the defence budget, while cutting foreign aid - the two are not mutually exclusive. It isn't the amounts, it is what you spend it on.
 
Abraham said:
Ah you posted while I was writing, you've got it spot on though, I think the only reason they use quite such an outlandish list of promises is because they know they're not really going to get any power.
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Funny, they don't seem outlandish to me, just common sense.
 
dirtydog said:
I think anyone who stands election for the BNP is a brave individual, faced as they are with discrimination, possible violence against themselves and their property, and possible sacking from their jobs. They deserve our support.
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There can be a fine line between brave and stupid - in the BNP candidate's case they are very much on the side of stupid. Stupid certainly does not "deserve our support". Apart from actual murderers and rapists... I honestly find it hard to think of a group of people less deserving of our support.
 
dirtydog said:
Of course it is possible to spend the same or more on the defence budget, while cutting foreign aid - the two are not mutually exclusive. It isn't the amounts, it is what you spend it on.
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Obviously they're not mutually exclusive, but it seems to me that the majority of the british forces efforts are spent on what is tantamount to foreign aid. They're not the same thing, but they are the same concept, so why support one but denounce the other, or should the way the forces work be changed completely?

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Funny, they don't seem outlandish to me, just common sense.
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some are just obviously what people want, but I've never seen any justification of how the BNP hope to acheive them, like first class health care for all, that's the idea that the NHS has grown from, but why would the BNP be able to manage it any better than any previous government, especially when they plan on deporting a high percentage of the doctors.

Then again some are just words that sound like people want them, but dont actually make sense, pensioners before asylum seekers, good yes, pensioners should be supported, and your average bnp voter is anti asylum seekers, (even if they don't really understand the concept of seeking asylum), but why create a link, I've never heard of any evidence that suggests that asylum seeker policy affects pensioners, how are they not currently being put first? it has no basis whatsoever
 
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(even if they don't really understand the concept of seeking asylum), but why create a link, I've never heard of any evidence that suggests that asylum seeker policy affects pensioners, how are they not currently being put first? it has no basis whatsoever
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I understand perfectly how asylum SHOULD work but doesn't in the UK, asylum seekers are supposed to be seek asylum in their nearest safe country, now, look at a map of the world and tell me how many neighbouring countries we have that necessetate a mass migration to the UK due to lives being in danger. The answer is none in case you're confused, the reason we get so many asylum seekers is down to us forking out tax payers money to them hand over fist, money that should be used to shore up and increase the state old age pension.
 
what is this mass migration you talk of? even just within the EU we are ranked 11th in terms of how many asylum applications we have compared to our population. Globally it's closer to 20th.
 
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Cuchulain said:
... necessetate a mass migration to the UK due to lives being in danger. The answer is none in case you're confused, the reason we get so many asylum seekers is down to us forking out tax payers money to them hand over fist, money that should be used to shore up and increase the state old age pension.
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Mass migration to the UK? You do realise that tiny little Sweden and Greece as well as France and the US all receive more asylum seekers than the UK does?

Given that we're the sixth richest country in the world (six and a half times richer than either Sweden or Greece) I think our asylum policy is okay.

EDIT: ...also, since the biggest increase in asylum seekers come from Iraq where the UK had a major involvement it could be argued we have a moral obligation to take more than our 'fair' share.
 
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Cuchulain said:
Every party is going to have policies that you don't agree with, on the whole, if you ignore the pointless rhetoric most people spout when you mention their name, the BNP have quite a few policies I agree with, namely:

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! - Check
EUROPE - back to British independence! - Check
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! - Check
ECONOMY - British workers first! - Check
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! - Check
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity! - Check
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all! - Check
TRANSPORT - time to invest! - Check
ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future! - Check
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! - Check
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers! - Check
NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism! - Check
DEFENCE - no more cuts! - Check
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first! - Check
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide! - Check

Does agreeing with all of these policies make me a racist nazi loving nationalist? No, and to be fair, I couldn't give a toss if it did.
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its all just populist soundbites though and impossible to actually put into practice

how do you end sectarianism? just tell them to cut it out?
by the time you forcibly repatriate every black person (or brown person or yellow person) as they want to do, how do they propose the run the NHS? where are you going to magic up thousands of nursing staff and doctors overnight to give this excellent healthcare they propose


independent britain..the world has changed and we live in a global economy...isolating yourself will not help the economy get back on its feet

its nothing more than a nationailst agenda designed to appeal to the underclass of this country who believe the world owes them something whilst they do nothing...they just use the spectre of 'foreigners' taking their jobs, when the truth is they have no intention of working...there are families in this country now where the adults have not worked for 3 generations and thats got nothing to do with immigration, and everything to do with their attitude.
 
Cuchulain said:
Does agreeing with all of these policies make me a racist nazi loving nationalist? No, and to be fair, I couldn't give a toss if it did.
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No and a lot of the BNP policies are very good. But that does not solve the problem it is run by racists and if they get in power those aren't the only policies they will try and create. This is the problem. You are voting for some good policies. But what you end up with is a racist part in power that don't exactly do what hey say.
 
An insteresting thread. Thought from the title it might get into a small discussion about the rights and wrongs of the BNP.

Just to help all those voting BNP, here is Nick Griffin defining who gets kicked out...

Link to BBC video
 
I'm gonna start a party called the 'Fix Everything Party' - who agrees with these policies?

Free, top quality healthcare for all!
Free, top quality education for all!
Free, efficient public transport for all!
No crime!
Affordable housing for all!
Well-paid, low effort work for all!
Benefits for those that need them, none for those that don't!
Create the best armed forces on the planet!
and best of all
No taxes!!

Who's with me?!
 
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