Who else hates this guy (Gregg Wallace)?

[bigmike20vt]

Those earlier in the thread stating this is not news and he has done nothing wrong must be a bit shook by now.


You cannot defend this type of behaviour, its only a couple of steps away from predatory.

this is exactly the dishonest crap I am taking about.
take to the extreme...... person X accused of poor taste joke...... person Y defends it

2 months later person x turns out to be a sexual molester..... someone then suggests person Y defends molesters!.

you should only go on the evidence presented at the time. I really hope people like the quoted above never go on a jury.

no smoke without fire is an absolutely terrible attitude when it's people's reputation on the line even if it's often true (innocent till proven guilty is my preferred stance)

 

[Ayahuasca]

There were some who thought that he'd just made a few innuendos on TV or in private after allegations had been made of things that would certainly be considered a step up from that and not innuendo.

 

[robj20]

this is exactly the dishonest crap I am taking about.
take to the extreme...... person X accused of poor taste joke...... person Y defends it

2 months later person x turns out to be a sexual molester..... someone then suggests person Y defends molesters!.

you should only go on the evidence presented at the time. I really help people like the quoted above never go on a jury.

no smoke without fire is an absolutely terrible attitude when it's people's reputation on the line even if it's often true (innocent till proven guilty is my preferred stance)

Don't worry about it. It's the difference between people that wait for all the evidence then make their mind up Vs the people that get their news via Facebook.
I'll hold out judgement until all actual evidence is put forward.

 

[Freakbro]

imo the 1st things which were shown such as that ladies lemon tart and what not WERE a bit of risky banter much like you see in many offices and other programs such as British bake off or even family game shows etc.
however the accusations have slowly ramped up.

I always felt that was a deflection from the "it's only cheeky banter" types though, as afaik, the complaints weren't being made over those type of comments on the show and it was disingenuous when the clips were being used with comments like "all double entendre is to be banned"

You don't accrue that many complaints over time for just normal "banter"

 

[sidimmu]

you should only go on the evidence presented at the time. I really help people like the quoted above never go on a jury.

no smoke without fire is an absolutely terrible attitude when it's people's reputation on the line even if it's often tru

Not sure how jury service comes into this, as yeah in the event of jury service it is based on the facts of the case and you have to get it agreed by the rest of the panel, ifs and buts dont come into account without proof.
But thanks for the reach and judgement. Gave me a good laugh!

It seems that you dont like that people get called out for previous awful replies and bad takes? Boo hoo.
This is a public forum where a lot of users in the first pages classed this as a non story and wanted the media to leave him alone.
Call me captain hindsight all you want, but like his "best friend" who has refused to comment, sometimes its best to keep quiet until the facts are found out.

Frankly though, we have all seen this time and time again, thee type of stories start a bit tame and then escalate in to a much deeper picture. Yes It does not apply to all, but in the context of celebrities who appear to think they are untouchable, there is no smoke without fire. Terrible attitude, statistics speak for themselves, you got to be a fool to not recognise this.

 

[robj20]

I always felt that was a deflection from the "it's only cheeky banter" types though, as afaik, the complaints weren't being made over those type of comments on the show and it was disingenuous when the clips were being used with comments like "all double entendre is to be banned"

You don't accrue that many complaints over time for just normal "banter"

What's normal? If the range is 0-100, at what point on the scale is normal, then say Greg is just at 90, where is the hard cutoff of it being unacceptable. It's all so dependent on the supposed victims, at the time they either accepted it or were honestly afraid to say anything but now they think back and find it unacceptable. In 20 years will their be hundreds more men in trouble because actually just speaking to a woman is now unacceptable.
(Yes I know this is extreme but it just seems odd to me) at what point are men going to be in trouble for what physically makes us men (brain chemistry wise)

Bit of a rant and probably doesn't make much sense.

 

[sidimmu]

at what point are men going to be in trouble for what physically makes us men

Its pretty simple though isn't it? Be respectful, its not difficult.
If she is not your partner, dont make sexual innuendo's, jokes verbally or in a physical fashion, or request sexual acts from someone not your partner.

I am not saying we cannot have a laugh as men, but its about knowing your audience and its clearly better to keep your audience limited to the partner you are with.
Not random women at work or guests on your show.

If I have got confused with your reply, I'll apologise now!

 

[Freakbro]

What's normal? If the range is 0-100, at what point on the scale is normal, then say Greg is just at 90, where is the hard cutoff of it being unacceptable. It's all so dependent on the supposed victims

I addressed that earlier in the thread

The problem (as always) is people want a hard line of what is right and wrong to something that hasn't got one, there's no definitive answer to what is 'banter' and what is 'bullying/inappropriate comments' and the line would change depending on circumstance, the people involved, the degree it happens etc etc

I liked a comment recently that said "It's only banter if both parties agree it's banter" one person can't take the **** out of another and unilaterally declare it 'banter'

The easy answer is you don't go anywhere near the line with people you don't know. Banter changes depending on your understanding of what is acceptable with the people you are bantering with.

And yes, for all the people who've said ITT "They'd have a coronary if they heard what we say together at work" that's absolutely fine, but I bet you wouldn't say the same to a random customer. That's the point.

at the time they either accepted it or were honestly afraid to say anything but now they think back and find it unacceptable. In 20 years will their be hundreds more men in trouble because actually just speaking to a woman is now unacceptable.
(Yes I know this is extreme but it just seems odd to me) at what point are men going to be in trouble for what physically makes us men (brain chemistry wise)

Bit of a rant and probably doesn't make much sense.

It's that bit that comes over very pitiful and typical victimhood attitude being pushed by a certain section of men nowadays.

If your worried about talking to a woman will lead to innappropriate sexual accusations, that's definitely a you problem!

 

[One More Solo]

Gregg Wallace's ghostwriter says MasterChef host sexually harassed her

The MasterChef host has denied any sexual misconduct with Shannon Kyle, who worked on his 2012 memoir.

www.bbc.co.uk

Took the money and wrote the book though eh. lol, what a joke. If a boss tries touching my ex, he would have a knee in the dick to think about his actions.

Yeah, you’re right, paid for writing jobs are famously easy to get so she should have just quit and got another one.

 

[Fr0dders]

Those earlier in the thread stating this is not news and he has done nothing wrong must be a bit shook by now.

If someone said that to my partner and they told me, they would not work for the individual, nor be alone with him without me present.
Plus they would get slapped about a bit.

You cannot defend this type of behaviour, its only a couple of steps away from predatory.

I don't think you can blame the people who initially weren't that bothered by what was being reported. Based upon what we knew at the time about what was reported, it didn't seem that bad. A bit of bad taste innuendo, but nothing to warrant ending his career about. Am i "shook", not really. Have I changed my mind? absolutely. There's accusations now of him physically groping people, 'accidentally" deliberately brushing by people, exposing himself etc.. to a different level. I'd argue that in any other workplace this would be viewed as predatory, no steps away from it.

People always get very tribal in internet discussion. Pointing fingers at people "you were wrong", "no I wasn't" etc.. people just need to be more relaxed and it's ok for people to change their mind. This whole idea that you must defend your viewpoint to the death no matter what happens is a bit far fetched, As is the comparison to jury duty. It's internet forum comments, it's not serious stuff. Providing people don't do harassing others for their viewpoints and it's just people forming their own opinion, people can think what they like.

That being said even now, I can see right wing trolls still attacking the people coming forward with accusations on social media. If people wondered why it took so long for this to come out, you only have to look at the accusations that the BBC knew about this, were told multiple times and did nothing, and the trolling thats occuring on social media to understand why people didn't say anything. That trolling is bang out of order, but such is the cesspool that is most social media platforms.

 

[StriderX]

I think it's about time the BBC becomes a testing ground for making it's execs liable for not acting earlier.

 

[robj20]

Its pretty simple though isn't it? Be respectful, its not difficult.
If she is not your partner, dont make sexual innuendo's, jokes verbally or in a physical fashion, or request sexual acts from someone not your partner.

I am not saying we cannot have a laugh as men, but its about knowing your audience and its clearly better to keep your audience limited to the partner you are with.
Not random women at work or guests on your show.

If I have got confused with your reply, I'll apologise now!

No need to apologise I didn't write that as I'd I have an issue but now putting the point out there.
It's all well and good saying be respectful it's not difficult but what some people consider respectful or unacceptable is completely different to other people. These people could genuinely think they're doing nothing wrong, like the guy I mentioned in work he also walks around farting constantly he thinks it's hilarious a couple of other guys agree with him, most including all the woman think it's a bit disgusting. Who's wrong and who's right.

Speaking about not going near the line, again what line, who's has decided on this line and where are the notes. Clearly Greg doesn't know about this line.

That Peterson guy puts it across well in that you have most men in the middle but you have outliers that are now manly more aggressive it's not necessarily their fault they're this way they just are and they're now getting in trouble for it.

Maybe as I said before if on that scale anyone above the average, should they be neutered so they then fit into the average, but then given enough time the scale shrinks. Why do we presume everyone is the same and has the same views, they're not, clearly so it's all well and good punishing them for not being average but how do you deal with it before.

 

[sidimmu]

Speaking about not going near the line, again what line, who's has decided on this line and where are the notes. Clearly Greg doesn't know about this line.

Thank you for the respectful reply and understood about identifying the line and whats right/wrong.

Yes we all have different meanings of right and wrong, whats acceptable and not when it comes to talking to people, the key is to identify and know your audience before taking these things further.
Understand about the farting guy, thats a difficult line because that is a natural bodily function and whilst it might be a bit disgusting for women, its not disrespectful unless you are going to try to down play it or (I'll use this loosely) assault them with your fart.

I think personally the safer route here for mankind is to leave sexual based chats out of the workplace, there is no need for them unless you work within the sex industry.
As said before when it comes to women in general, unless she is directly your partner, leave it all alone, dont joke, dont touch, dont do anything that could be misinterpreted or plain harassment.
This does also apply to homosexuals, I say this because if a guy had done to me what GW did to these women, I'd be extremely uncomfortable and unhappy with the situation and maybe end up charged with assault.

This is just how I see it anyway.

 

[robj20]

I addressed that earlier in the thread



The easy answer is you don't go anywhere near the line with people you don't know. Banter changes depending on your understanding of what is acceptable with the people you are bantering with.

And yes, for all the people who've said ITT "They'd have a coronary if they heard what we say together at work" that's absolutely fine, but I bet you wouldn't say the same to a random customer. That's the point.



It's that bit that comes over very pitiful and typical victimhood attitude being pushed by a certain section of men nowadays.

If your worried about talking to a woman will lead to innappropriate sexual accusations, that's definitely a you problem!

Hindsight is a glorious thing isn't it. It's not about me or being worried about anything. Do you think Savill and the like or indeed Greg were worried at the time?
Again it's not about my feelings, I just find the whole topic interesting and wonder where things will go.

I see it in work most days some men are very what you would consider manly others like me fit in better I find myself talking to the woman more than most of the men I'm not afraid of them. I cringe at some of the things since of the guys say and like the BBC no one pulls them up for any of it.

 

[robj20]

Thank you for the respectful reply and understood about identifying the line and whats right/wrong.

Yes we all have different meanings of right and wrong, whats acceptable and not when it comes to talking to people, the key is to identify and know your audience before taking these things further.
Understand about the farting guy, thats a difficult line because that is a natural bodily function and whilst it might be a bit disgusting for women, its not disrespectful unless you are going to try to down play it or (I'll use this loosely) assault them with your fart.

I think personally the safer route here for mankind is to leave sexual based chats out of the workplace, there is no need for them unless you work within the sex industry.
As said before when it comes to women in general, unless she is directly your partner, leave it all alone, dont joke, dont touch, dont do anything that could be misinterpreted or plain harassment.
This does also apply to homosexuals, I say this because if a guy had done to me what GW did to these women, I'd be extremely uncomfortable and unhappy with the situation and maybe end up charged with assault.

This is just how I see it anyway.

Finally someone gets my point. I guess it just comes easier for some to figure out where the line is. I reckon it's easier for married people for sure, the guy and indeed his mates at work are all single and live alone. Greg is married so he doesn't have that excuse, it's what makes it all the stranger for me he's married and I presume loves his wife yet makes comments to other woman that I wouldn't dream of, never mind the other woman I wouldn't do it for respect for my wife.

 

[sidimmu]

Finally someone gets my point. I guess it just comes easier for some to figure out where the line is. I reckon it's easier for married people for sure, the guy and indeed his mates at work are all single and live alone. Greg is married so he doesn't have that excuse, it's what makes it all the stranger for me he's married and I presume loves his wife yet makes comments to other woman that I wouldn't dream of, never mind the other woman I wouldn't do it for respect for my wife.

No problem!

In my view, this is deeper than just cheeky sexual based behaviour or "banter" (I hate that word) as given the nature of what GW has said countless times.
I assume that given the opportunity he would cheat on his wife if a woman was to reciprocate or agree to his behaviour. I know this is reaching, but in my view you dont say or ask for these things as a joke, he was trying to find if they shared an equal view or if he could get some sexual gratification.
I dont think he loves his wife from how he has spoken to other women, he's clearly requested some of these things from his wife and she has said no. Being a celebrity with a form of power, his ego is too large to take a no.

I might be reaching a bit, but to me the writing is on the wall.

 

[BUDFORCE]

I think it's about time the BBC becomes a testing ground for making it's execs liable for not acting earlier.

That I don't disagree with.

 

[Freakbro]

Hindsight is a glorious thing isn't it. It's not about me or being worried about anything. Do you think Savill and the like or indeed Greg were worried at the time?

No, but that because they felt protected by their position of power over the other person involved. Especially as you say later, they arent pulled up on it (enough) before it does get out of hand.

Again it's not about my feelings, I just find the whole topic interesting and wonder where things will go.

I see it in work most days some men are very what you would consider manly others like me fit in better I find myself talking to the woman more than most of the men I'm not afraid of them. I cringe at some of the things since of the guys say and like the BBC no one pulls them up for any of it.

Sorry, that was meant as a generic you, not you specifically.

 

[robj20]

Sorry, that was meant as a generic you, not you specifically.

No problem, I hate discussing stuff like this on forums. It's so difficult to get the point across how you intend.

 

[Nutty667]

How do we know this ghost writer's accusations are even true though? It's just her word against his.
Wouldn't be the 1st time someone has made up accusations.

Why didn't we hear about this years ago ?