Who has right of way in this mini-roundabout situation?

Zbornak said:
Some people in here are suggesting that the green car has right of way because it intends to turn right. Since when did intention trump position in a right of way situations?

Using that logic, if the yellow car was indicating right then the two cars would be once again be stuck there in perpetuity.

There's even two mods in this thread who have opposing views and my mother told me that mods are always right. So I'm going to continue driving as I was and constantly have accidents on mini roundabouts.
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I can't believe there's any doubt here.

No-one's disputing that you give way to any traffic already on the roundabout (to your right).

All that's being discussed is that if a 'standoff' occurs between green and yellow, then green should go first and yellow should give-way.

The reason is simple, if they go at the same time, then there's a reasonable chance that (depending on acceleration) green will begin to turn right before yellow has fully cleared green's exit. If there is any collision between the two cars in the example shown, yellow is at fault (exceptions being green driving on the wrong side of the road, or something equally stupid). Good luck trying and argue that you had right of way as yellow, because you entered the roundabout a split second before the other car.

Yes yellow could 'boot it' across before green begins to turn right, but that is irrelevant to who should give way to who and ultimately who would be at fault should there be an accident. I can 'boot it' out of a t-junction in front of a lorry, but if I don't get up to speed, I am in the wrong. Same scenario - yellow can go and if they go with enough conviction, they'll probably clear the junction, but they should really give way.
 
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Jokester said:
Even if they both move off at the same time, they will pass each other on opposite sides of the roundabout as per my pic.

Has everyone suddenly turned into women and become spatially inept?
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Quite.

I read the OP and thought this isn't even a bloody question. And all this after it...

Hmm.
 
I had this situation today. I was the green car and the yellow car decided they'd ignore me so I had to emergency stop on the roundabout. Silly girl was looking at her friend in the passenger seat while driving through a junction!
 
Easily the green cars right of way. Green is directly to the right of Yellow, where as yellow is not directly to the right of green?

You can't just ignore the 3rd exit/entrance if there's no car there. That's how I see it anyway. If there's 2 cars like that and only 1 car has no junction before it meets the other car, that car should have right of way. If there is a junction I don't consider that car to my right if its directly ahead, unless its on the roundabout.
 
Wow, not read everyones take on this.

But what I would do in this situation would really just depend on the car I have to give way to.

If I can get onto the roundabout without getting in the way of the car (or any other car) I'm supposed to give way to, I'll just go.

So approaching the roundabout, I'll see if that car is giving way or going and act accordingly.

ie.
If I'm green car and the orange car is waiting for yellow car, I will go.
If I'm yellow car and can make it on to the roundabout without getting in the way of the green car I will go.
If I'm orange car and yellow car is giving way/waiting for green car I will go.

If everyone hesitates and stops there, well someone has to take the initiative.

Being a small roundabout you just have to be extra aware of whats happening and anticipate other drivers hesitation.

EDIT: To answer original question to who has right of way. They all have right of way to someone and they all have to give way to someone.
 
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Deyvy said:
Wow, not read everyones take on this.

But what I would do in this situation would really just depend on the car I have to give way to.

If I can get onto the roundabout without getting in the way of the car (or any other car) I'm supposed to give way to, I'll just go.

So approaching the roundabout, I'll see if that car is giving way or going and act accordingly.

ie.
If I'm green car and the orange car is waiting for yellow car, I will go.
If I'm yellow car and can make it on to the roundabout without getting in the way of the green car I will go.
If I'm orange car and yellow car is giving way/waiting for green car I will go.

If everyone hesitates and stops there, well someone has to take the initiative.

Being a small roundabout you just have to be extra aware of whats happening and anticipate other drivers hesitation.

EDIT: To answer original question to who has right of way. They all have right of way to someone and they all have to give way to someone.
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Maybe you should read the OP though.
 
I've read the OP.

If it's a stalemate, whoever takes the initiative to get on the roundabout first without getting in the way of anyone else, would automatically have right of way.
 
But you missed the bit saying to ignore the orange car?

Green therefore doesn't need to give way to anything, whereas yellow risks impeding green's exit if they both move together, so yellow should wait for green to go.
 
div0 said:
But you missed the bit saying to ignore the orange car?

Green therefore doesn't need to give way to anything, whereas yellow risks impeding green's exit if they both move together, so yellow should wait for green to go.
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Well I read it, then I read some other posts about ignoring the bit about ignoring the orange car.

And the OP does make some points on the situation which are open to interpretation, which is why I guess we're on 4 pages.

Point still stands though, if you can get on the roundabout without 'impeding' any other car you're suppose to give way to, go.
 
The OP certainly did make a mess of the first post, which has no doubt led to more confusion than was needed.

I think all that's being discussed now is basically - is a mini-roundabout big enough for both cars (green and yellow) to go at the same time, or should yellow wait for green?
 
div0 said:
The OP certainly did make a mess of the first post, which has no doubt led to more confusion than was needed.

I think all that's being discussed now is basically - is a mini-roundabout big enough for both cars (green and yellow) to go at the same time, or should yellow wait for green?
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If it is a mini roundabout painted on the road as illustrated then you wait, always wait.

If it is a big round that has a 20m diameter then you just go.

His photo clearly shows a mini roundabout though.
 
Raymond Lin said:
If it is a mini roundabout painted on the road as illustrated then you wait, always wait.

If it is a big round that has a 20m diameter then you just go.

His photo clearly shows a mini roundabout though.
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I'm not disagreeing with you :)

Just trying to clear up what some people still seem to be debating.
 
I have this scenario on a daily basis, as do many others

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I am approaching from the bottom left, if I see a car indicating to come across the roundabout and go down Stand lane I will see how far out it is. If I am at the double lines before he is at the crossing I will proceed, if we come to the roundabout at the same time however I will stop and let them turn right. Barely anyone goes around the white painted section, most if not all drive straight over it. If I were to follow some advice in here, I would collide as the other car comes straight across the white painted circle, hence I sit and wait till they have completed their turn then I go.
 
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Give way applies to all drivers, so nobody has priority, and nobody has right of way. The fact that one road is straight has no impact on this, each driver is approaching another from the right. In this situation it is down to the drivers to drive respectfully of each other. I cannot believe this debate is still raging after 4 pages.

Once a car has entered the roundabout, then he has a priority to manoeuvre. This is the same as at any multi exit roundabout with all exits in use. If all three cars moved at once and collided with each other, there would be no clear fault and each drivers insurance would have to cover the guy they pulled out in front of.
 
VaderDSL said:
If I were to follow some advice in here, I would collide as the other car comes straight across the white painted circle,
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This would be his fault as he must travel around the marked centre unless his vehicle is too long for that to be possible, ie an articulated vehicle.

Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)
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I think what I said earlier can be applied to all scenarios.

If you can get on to the roundabout without impeding anyone you're suppose to give way to, go.

What we're really saying or trying to describe is 'common sense.' Lol again, that's why we're on 4 pages.

If the guy cuts across the roundabout, you'll be able to tell by the way they enter the roundabout. If they look like they're going to cut it, wait. If they go round properly, depending on their speed and your speed(or how quick you can accelerate), you should be able to judge if by going you will impede them or not.

Common Sense.

I don't mean or intend to patronise anyone.;)
 
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Dr Who said:
Give way applies to all drivers, so nobody has priority, and nobody has right of way. The fact that one road is straight has no impact on this, each driver is approaching another from the right. In this situation it is down to the drivers to drive respectfully of each other. I cannot believe this debate is still raging after 4 pages.

Once a car has entered the roundabout, then he has a priority to manoeuvre. This is the same as at any multi exit roundabout with all exits in use. If all three cars moved at once and collided with each other, there would be no clear fault and each drivers insurance would have to cover the guy they pulled out in front of.
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Have you read the OP?
 
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