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Mike mate have you seen the fast laps link I posted? It concludes the 182 is the quicker car stat wise. But yes the driver plays a part too!
Please, it bases this conclusion on power to weight and these values are user inputted anyway.
I hate repeating myself but there is more to a car's straight line performance than power to weight.
I was looking into a 197/200 5 stud hub conversion... but the price was epic so i ran away
Haha I bet it was!!
I could get them fitted for nothing just buying the dam things, they cost a arm and leg, kidney too!!I've told you why, and this will be the fourth time now?
There is more to it than power to weight ratio. Gearing and torque play a huge role in it too. The Corsa's additional torque and shorter gears (6 speed y0) make it harder to get it off the line, but also help it pull once moving.
Hence 182 better off the line, Corsa better rolling. Simples.
There is more to it than power to weight ratio. Gearing and torque play a huge role in it too. The Corsa's additional torque and shorter gears (6 speed y0) make it harder to get it off the line, but also help it pull once moving.
Hence 182 better off the line, Corsa better rolling. Simples.
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I had some fun with a 8P S3 a few days ago, and i wouldn't of even called the gap between that "significant", maybe 6-7 car lengths top end. Nothing some brave cornering couldn't get back So i have no idea how a car with near identical statistics gets a significant margin?
So i have no idea how a car with near identical statistics gets a significant margin? He is talking out of his bum. Plain and simple! Nothing in them standard form at all. If anything the 182 has the better stats!
http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=109250
Mate get a clio rolling in the right powerband second at around 4700RPM and have fun seeing it move away 'slowly' from a Corsa VXR in a straight line
http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=109250
Mate get a clio rolling in the right powerband second at around 4700RPM and have fun seeing it move away 'slowly' from a Corsa VXR in a straight line
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Both have extremely similar performance statistics though, its like saying both cars go from 0-100 in 10seconds, but the corsa does it faster
7 car lengths is a huge margin on a straight line run.
Ok, It's not GT-R vs. Ford Fiesta levels, but in the context of reasonably quick cars, 7 car lengths is huge
Misread!! Ooopss my bad.
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7 car lengths is a huge margin on a straight line run.
Ok, It's not GT-R vs. Ford Fiesta levels, but in the context of reasonably quick cars, 7 car lengths is huge
But but but, he has 265bhp
I was lifting off in the corners
I have little to gain by lying about my experiences, if I was looking for e-peen extension then I'd be calling it the other way seeing as I've been looking at 172/182s.
I'm just calling it as I see it. You just need to remember that 0-anything isn't a great indication of performance because the launch plays a significant role in this figure. This is why despite a standard Classic UK Impreza having a much faster 0-60 time, its probably actually slower (or at least no faster!) than a 182 once rolling.
Similar story with power to weight, whilst it is a good rough indication of a car's performance as most cars are similarly geared, it isn't a definitive figure as cars rarely have identical gearing. Given the VXR and 182 have similar top speeds, but the VXR has an extra gear, it indicates that the VXR has shorter gearing.
If you require an example of the gearing, we'll go back to Imprezas. Take a Classic STI vs. a Classic RA. Both have 280bhp and both are of a similar weight, but the RA is MUCH faster, why? Because it has shorter gearing (although, to a more extreme degree than the VXR vs. 182).
Put simply, lower gearing translates to more torque going to the wheels (after all, a gearbox is a torque multiplier), couple this with an engine that outputs more torque at the flywheel anyway, and you have your answer
I'm just calling it as I see it. You just need to remember that 0-anything isn't a great indication of performance because the launch plays a significant role in this figure. This is why despite a standard Classic UK Impreza having a much faster 0-60 time, its probably actually slower (or at least no faster!) than a 182 once rolling.
Similar story with power to weight, whilst it is a good rough indication of a car's performance as most cars are similarly geared, it isn't a definitive figure as cars rarely have identical gearing. Given the VXR and 182 have similar top speeds, but the VXR has an extra gear, it indicates that the VXR has shorter gearing.
If you require an example of the gearing, we'll go back to Imprezas. Take a Classic STI vs. a Classic RA. Both have 280bhp and both are of a similar weight, but the RA is MUCH faster, why? Because it has shorter gearing (although, to a more extreme degree than the VXR vs. 182).
Put simply, lower gearing translates to more torque going to the wheels (after all, a gearbox is a torque multiplier), couple this with an engine that outputs more torque at the flywheel anyway, and you have your answer
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I have little to gain by lying about my experiences, if I was looking for e-peen extension then I'd be calling it the other way seeing as I've been looking at 172/182s.
I'm just calling it as I see it. You just need to remember that 0-anything isn't a great indication of performance because the launch plays a significant role in this figure. This is why despite a standard Classic UK Impreza having a much faster 0-60 time, its probably actually slower (or at least no faster!) than a 182 once rolling.
Similar story with power to weight, whilst it is a good rough indication of a car's performance as most cars are similarly geared, it isn't a definitive figure as cars rarely have identical gearing. Given the VXR and 182 have similar top speeds, but the VXR has an extra gear, it indicates that the VXR has shorter gearing.
If you require an example of the gearing, we'll go back to Imprezas. Take a Classic STI vs. a Classic RA. Both have 280bhp and both are of a similar weight, but the RA is MUCH faster, why? Because it has shorter gearing (although, to a more extreme degree than the VXR vs. 182).
Put simply, lower gearing translates to more torque going to the wheels (after all, a gearbox is a torque multiplier), couple this with an engine that outputs more torque at the flywheel anyway, and you have your answer
Just looking up some status on the net and the 182 is quicker round most if not all circuits and has better figures!
It only has 40 more lbs and a much smaller engine!
http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=comparison
Its only a bit of banter mate Not trying to start an epenis fight or anything, just having a bit of fun!
It only has 40 more lbs and a much smaller engine!
http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=comparison
Its only a bit of banter mate
Not trying to start an epenis fight or anything, just having a bit of fun! 
So they are the second lot of stats in this thread that are completely different to the first. Does this not give you an indication of how unreliable they are?
We're not debating circuit performance are we?
Only 40lb/ft? Engine size is irrelevant, the VXR has a turbo bolted on to it
http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=comparison
Its only a bit of banter mate
And there is the third set of statistics that are completely different to the previous two. Plus, 1. It's a cup, 2. It thinks it has 6 gears!
As I've already said, It also says the 182 has 6 gears. Plus that's a Cup
I think I'm fighting a losing battle here - I definitely picked the wrong place to start this discussion. Not that you guys are biased or anything
This is however how healthy Motor's discussions should be - I enjoy the ones that stay civil much more
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20kg weight saving of the cup car means a 0.4s difference from 0-100. Pretty impressive!
I posted the Cup status! But its still all the same, come up against a Clio in standard form and the Corsa VXR wont be faster which ever way you want to look at it! Remap the VXR and well thats a differnet story! But standard to standard and I guess it will go to the driver, but the stats state the Clio is the quicker of the two.