Who is getting the New Mac Pro
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Agree its not that pretty but i'll be looking at the screen and not the bezel
For the available 27" monitors you cant beat the quality for the price point which is what matters
My main beef with new MP is that it didn't have to be Mac Pro. They could launch it as a new product, half way between Mac Pro classic and Mac Mini, call it iBin, iDouche, whatever.
In essence - it's everything the actual Mac Pro core users never wanted from workstation and one large FU finger to all those who are Apple bound for work:
- you asked for more storage, we gave you, literally, no storage, FU
- you asked for accelerated graphics and CUDA, we made sure you won't be able to fit Nvidia in there, ever. FU
- you asked for bluray, we removed all writers, FU
- you asked for better onboard audio, we moved that single basic headphone mini jack, to the back, FU
- you asked for lower price, more scalability, better upgradability. We made sure it's twice more expensive and you'll never be able to upgrade it with third party components. FU
- you asked for more PCIe slots for all your raid controllers, capture cards and accelerators, we want you to throw all of the £££££'s that you invested in your gear over the years into rubbish bin and start from scratch, FU.
- you asked for better compatibility with existing hardware on the market, we made it all proprietary. FU
- you asked us to resize the new MP better, so it fits under european desks and mounts into racks, so the rendering and encoding clusters don't litter every table in the office and require custom rigs in broadcast trailers. We made sure you'll never have it under your desk, stack it up, take it on the road without ratchet straps or mount it to engine room racks. FU
- you asked us to make sure the hardware is optimal for editing and creative software tasks, we made such a mess of it that photoshop runs faster on MacBook Pro from 2011 than on iBin and the only editing software that runs faster on it is Final Cut X, the one you never wanted, never asked for but we forced down your throat anyway by making FCP7 unavailable to buy. Oh, and btw, Compressor still doesn't utilise all the cores and threads, because FU.
- you mentioned gaming, well, just FU.
The list goes on forever.
Yes, it might be pretty but who is this machine for? Who is the target customer? Who is this processor hungry computing customer that doesn't need tons of storage and ef loads of cards inside? Not editor, not video encoder, not musician, not special effects guy. Who? Who is this aesthetics conscious Brabantia collector with need for shiny space-agey mini bin on top of his desk with spider web of ugly Lacies, Bufallos, Arecas and Pegasus', break out boxes, external disk writers, card readers, TB->PCIe IO bays and so on? Seriously. Who? More money than sense Head honcho at boutique Soho basement video house to impress customers, then watch some funny cats youtube videos? Kanye West's kitchen to match other round objects? Presentation/meeting room in financial corporation? Property brokers in Chelsea?
It's truly baffling, really. In 2008 you would go to Apple Store, pick mid range 2.8Ghz machine, with two physical CPU's, four cores each, for less than £1500. You would get four hard drives @ £100 each, put your old BlackMagic or Aja card in, and by the end of the day end up with perfectly usable editing workstation with raided scratch disk. MP3.1 to 5.1 had extra 2 SATA ports hidden on motherboard, so if you really wanted, you could use drive bays for another backup raid.
Today, your starting point is shelling out over four grand on mid range 6 core box, another 4 grand to get any decent 4 disk raid at all, new thunderbolt box to broadcast monitor, daisy chain the lot on your desk like it was SCSI hack in SGI times, then you realise 4K works properly only with Apple's own monitors, probably another 4 grand, and as you sit down tired, with wallet bleeding all over your shorts and bank calling every 5 minutes to check if you were being robbed, you realise the motherlovers didn't even include basic keyboard and mouse with your iBin and they still want £40 plus VAT for each before you can even type your iCloud login at startup.
All I'm saying is - if they wanted an SGI O2, so it looks pretty on architects table, they could have just slotted it as an extra machine. Not kill Mac Pro for all of us.
In essence - it's everything the actual Mac Pro core users never wanted from workstation and one large FU finger to all those who are Apple bound for work:
- you asked for more storage, we gave you, literally, no storage, FU
- you asked for accelerated graphics and CUDA, we made sure you won't be able to fit Nvidia in there, ever. FU
- you asked for bluray, we removed all writers, FU
- you asked for better onboard audio, we moved that single basic headphone mini jack, to the back, FU
- you asked for lower price, more scalability, better upgradability. We made sure it's twice more expensive and you'll never be able to upgrade it with third party components. FU
- you asked for more PCIe slots for all your raid controllers, capture cards and accelerators, we want you to throw all of the £££££'s that you invested in your gear over the years into rubbish bin and start from scratch, FU.
- you asked for better compatibility with existing hardware on the market, we made it all proprietary. FU
- you asked us to resize the new MP better, so it fits under european desks and mounts into racks, so the rendering and encoding clusters don't litter every table in the office and require custom rigs in broadcast trailers. We made sure you'll never have it under your desk, stack it up, take it on the road without ratchet straps or mount it to engine room racks. FU
- you asked us to make sure the hardware is optimal for editing and creative software tasks, we made such a mess of it that photoshop runs faster on MacBook Pro from 2011 than on iBin and the only editing software that runs faster on it is Final Cut X, the one you never wanted, never asked for but we forced down your throat anyway by making FCP7 unavailable to buy. Oh, and btw, Compressor still doesn't utilise all the cores and threads, because FU.
- you mentioned gaming, well, just FU.
The list goes on forever.
Yes, it might be pretty but who is this machine for? Who is the target customer? Who is this processor hungry computing customer that doesn't need tons of storage and ef loads of cards inside? Not editor, not video encoder, not musician, not special effects guy. Who? Who is this aesthetics conscious Brabantia collector with need for shiny space-agey mini bin on top of his desk with spider web of ugly Lacies, Bufallos, Arecas and Pegasus', break out boxes, external disk writers, card readers, TB->PCIe IO bays and so on? Seriously. Who? More money than sense Head honcho at boutique Soho basement video house to impress customers, then watch some funny cats youtube videos? Kanye West's kitchen to match other round objects? Presentation/meeting room in financial corporation? Property brokers in Chelsea?
It's truly baffling, really. In 2008 you would go to Apple Store, pick mid range 2.8Ghz machine, with two physical CPU's, four cores each, for less than £1500. You would get four hard drives @ £100 each, put your old BlackMagic or Aja card in, and by the end of the day end up with perfectly usable editing workstation with raided scratch disk. MP3.1 to 5.1 had extra 2 SATA ports hidden on motherboard, so if you really wanted, you could use drive bays for another backup raid.
Today, your starting point is shelling out over four grand on mid range 6 core box, another 4 grand to get any decent 4 disk raid at all, new thunderbolt box to broadcast monitor, daisy chain the lot on your desk like it was SCSI hack in SGI times, then you realise 4K works properly only with Apple's own monitors, probably another 4 grand, and as you sit down tired, with wallet bleeding all over your shorts and bank calling every 5 minutes to check if you were being robbed, you realise the motherlovers didn't even include basic keyboard and mouse with your iBin and they still want £40 plus VAT for each before you can even type your iCloud login at startup.
All I'm saying is - if they wanted an SGI O2, so it looks pretty on architects table, they could have just slotted it as an extra machine. Not kill Mac Pro for all of us.
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To those of you with the new Mac Pro: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18286475
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Arriving tomo, lucky! You must have ordered yours on announcement I suppose?
I just went for 12gb ram (base ram) which will do me fine, but in future there is always Crucial to grab some more ram, but not sure I will need to.
tbh, I only really use my Mac for Web Development (that is my day to day job), but my Mac Mini puffs a bit too much just watching HD movies. Also the Intel HD 4000 is too laggy in Photoshop for me.
I work from home, so the Mac Pro will be used every single day, so certainly a worth while purchase for me.
This will be my second Mac Pro also, I got the 8 core 2008 model when they where launched, paid £1700+ for that, sold it a year and half later for £2200
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