Who owns a Mondeo ST220 / ST TDCI?

Howard · 12 Nov 2013 at 14:22

DogsBody said:
I am interested to see these results, you will be posting them in here as well right

Also, slightly modded airbox ?

Spose

Regarding the airbox, when Ford facelifted the car and added the 6-speed gearbox, they removed the second air feed into the airbox because the gearbox got in the way. In typical cost-cutting fashion, they didn't re-design the airbox to eradicate the second inlet, so there's a hole in the bottom of the airbox on the left hand side, about 3 inches long, which sucks in air from the middle of the engine bay. Adding some piping to this which routes round to a "colder" area of the engine bay, i.e. in front of the nearside headlamp, can help with induction temperatures and heat soak.

DogsBody · 12 Nov 2013 at 15:06

Howard said:
Spose

Regarding the airbox, when Ford facelifted the car and added the 6-speed gearbox, they removed the second air feed into the airbox because the gearbox got in the way. In typical cost-cutting fashion, they didn't re-design the airbox to eradicate the second inlet, so there's a hole in the bottom of the airbox on the left hand side, about 3 inches long, which sucks in air from the middle of the engine bay. Adding some piping to this which routes round to a "colder" area of the engine bay, i.e. in front of the nearside headlamp, can help with induction temperatures and heat soak.

As I also have the 6-speed box my car will be affected by this also,
If I take the top off the airbox and take out the filter is the hole visible from there ?

What sized piping is required to do this mod ?
Did you actually notice any difference ?

Howard · 12 Nov 2013 at 15:43

DogsBody said:
If I take the top off the airbox and take out the filter is the hole visible from there ?

Yeah, it's easier to take the whole airbox unit out though by detaching it from the pipe.

DogsBody said:
What sized piping is required to do this mod ?

57mm rectangle according to this:

http://www.stdrivers.co.uk/forum/topic/23166-adding-a-2nd-air-feed-to-st220-6-speed/

Pics don't work any more though

DogsBody said:
Did you actually notice any difference ?

I don't know.

If anything it seemed to bog down a bit less when driving in the summer heat.

Adam · 13 Nov 2013 at 13:43

Annoyingly I thought I had found the perfect ST, it had pretty much all of the optional extras including sat nav (not essential but pretty cool) but I can't bring myself to pay the higher tax rate every year as it was registered after the March cut off in 2006.

Totally irrational but I think it would make it difficult to resell in the future and it's hard to stomach spending £450 per year.

Makhaira · 13 Nov 2013 at 17:15

Resale value won't drop a Hge amounting the age of these cars really. The other view I'd take is that the extra money on tax is still nothing vs the cost of a comparable alternative to the st220 really.

Adam · 13 Nov 2013 at 18:23

Well it's an 06 reg, 50k miles with sat nav, meant to be in excellent condition and just serviced. Would use the tax as a negotiation tool but I think I could get it for £4k'ish.

Can't help but think the price is still on the high side with the astronomical tax factored in. Any thoughts?

Howard · 13 Nov 2013 at 18:59

If it's in excellent condition what does it matter if it costs a few hundred more to buy than one that isn't quite as new or in as good condition? Sounds good to me. The tax is a bit of a wounder but then it's that or buy an older one in likely worse condition.

Phal · 13 Nov 2013 at 19:54

Luckily my ideal ST220 kinda fell into my lap and I jumped on it straight away! 53 plate that only had 60k and a half decent spec

I think if the car looked good I wouldn't worry about a few hundred pounds a year difference. Just think about how much you'll be spending on petrol and the tax difference will pale in comparison lol

DogsBody · 14 Nov 2013 at 14:34

at the end of the day if you keep the car for 3 years it is only an extra £540.
Its not that bad but I do know what you mean to actually hand over that much every year would still hurt a bit

Rybo89 · 14 Nov 2013 at 15:11

DogsBody said:
at the end of the day if you keep the car for 3 years it is only an extra £540.
Its not that bad but I do know what you mean to actually hand over that much every year would still hurt a bit

You are talking to Adam, right? His tax will be about £460 a year on the car in question.

Howard · 14 Nov 2013 at 15:24

Rybo89 said:
You are talking to Adam, right? His tax will be about £460 a year on the car in question.

Yep. The difference between £460 and £280 is £180, multiplied by three years is £540.

dhill · 14 Nov 2013 at 15:41

Quick question regarding ST220's...I've been recently looking through ads of cars for sale, and one popped up that said it had the "wolf pack" on it.

Whats the "wolf pack" or "wolf edition"?

Rybo89 · 14 Nov 2013 at 15:43

Howard said:
Yep. The difference between £460 and £280 is £180, multiplied by three years is £540.

Ah Haaaa! Me being a **** and reading it wrong!

DogsBody · 14 Nov 2013 at 16:59

Rybo89 said:
Ah Haaaa! Me being a **** and reading it wrong!

noted,

and apology accepted

Adam · 14 Nov 2013 at 17:19

Haven't ruled it out yet but I do feel slightly uncomfortable dropping £450 on tax every year, I can't see how that's good value.

However, in the grand scheme of things if I can get the car for a cheap price it may be worthwhile. We'll see

Rybo89 · 14 Nov 2013 at 18:03

DogsBody said:
noted,

and apology accepted

Adam said:
Haven't ruled it out yet but I do feel slightly uncomfortable dropping £450 on tax every year, I can't see how that's good value.

However, in the grand scheme of things if I can get the car for a cheap price it may be worthwhile. We'll see

No chance i would pay that for any Ford.

Plenty of ST220's about, can you not find a 55 plate?

Rybo89 · 15 Nov 2013 at 08:43

dhill said:
Quick question regarding ST220's...I've been recently looking through ads of cars for sale, and one popped up that said it had the "wolf pack" on it.

Whats the "wolf pack" or "wolf edition"?

Never heard of it.

Imy · 15 Nov 2013 at 09:16

Before:

After magic applied:

They (Perfect Finish, Coventry) did an equally good job on the other bits too.

Felt so strange getting back into the ST after driving the DS3 for 3 days. The steering is so heavy (better) in comparison to the DS3 and the gearbox a lot less vague. The braking on the DS3 was much more effective though so that's still something I'm looking to deal with on the ST.

p.s. not heard of the wolf pack either.

Howard · 15 Nov 2013 at 09:39

Nice job!

You sure the DS3's brakes were actually more effective, and not just a sharper transition from 'off' to 'on'?

Imy · 15 Nov 2013 at 10:42

Well braking in the ST has never made me lurch forward and I don't think it could, but the DS3 did.

Edit: oh and before I forget, I zeroed the trip computer on the DS3 when I picked it up and when I gave it back it said I averaged 28.5mpg (official combined value is 47.9mpg) lol.