why all the hate for hs2?

[doodah]

Gravel, cracks in foundations, water etc etc


You don't know what you're going to dig through and what will happen till you actually do it.

Also covid

Didn't they put an indefinite (later revised to at least 1 or 2 years for a full opening) delay in August 2018? It was due to open in December that year, surely the last few months would be finishing things up? I think there was an investigation about it because it seemed fishy saying it would be finished in mere months, only to discover a hell of a lot more needed to be done.

And yes COVID has had an effect but the issues and delays (2018) happened well before the pandemic hit.

 

[helpimcrap]

watching this on sky news atm and there seems to be an out and out hate campaign towards this.

couple of things i'm confused about.



why do labour seem to be against it? were they not the ones that initially introduced hs2?

why all the hate towards a project that will bring a huge benefit to the country as a whole. I can understand opposition from someone who is going to find hs2 running through their back garden but it seems that more than just people on the route that are against it.


i see it as a major infrastructure building project that is going to get the country moving create tens of thousands of jobs and from the figures i've read be a boost to the economy overall (well long term anyway)

Because it is a pointless Willy waving exercise. Once finished where do those jobs go? Exactly, not sustainable.
It is wasting money and forcing people to sell homes to rip up the countryside for something no one will use except industry, and they will not exactly be queuing up....

Labour are useless, just vote against everything the Tories do without any evidence based research to back up their points. Rinse and repeat. Labour is no longer the workers party...

 

[Tefal]

Because it is a pointless Willy waving exercise. Once finished where do those jobs go? Exactly, not sustainable.
It is wasting money and forcing people to sell homes to rip up the countryside for something no one will use except industry, and they will not exactly be queuing up....

Labour are useless, just vote against everything the Tories do without any evidence based research to back up their points. Rinse and repeat. Labour is no longer the workers party...

Well maintaining and operating the railway is where the jobs "go"

 

[Tefal]

So all these people purpose no further projects ever?

Yes as the population grows more and more they think we should still have th same infrastucture as 100 years ago.


Them they will complain that there's not enough Infrastructure

 

[Tefal]

The argument is that - this will be a long term investment.....big picture etc....I simply don't trust it to be delivered on time and on budget. Will it be more reliable than current trains? Or will succumb to the normal British excuses; wrong type of rain, leaves, wind, snow, another train holding it up etc? As someone has already said, fix the basics first. I am all for it if they can guarantee reliability and over crowding will be addressed with current stock.

Why does it matter if its on time or on budget.

Seriously?

The usage of it is longer than a human lifespan. The money spent is spent in the uk.

So really it makes no difference

 

[adam cool dude]

But HS2 has just shown you can't build more lines and stations without it costing a fortune in environmental court cases

Japans Maglev line is 90% in tunnels and only cost 64 Billion.

Why couldn't the government just built it underground and solve all these issues with court cases? Surely this will be the only way in the future.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Yes as the population grows more and more they think we should still have th same infrastucture as 100 years ago.


Them they will complain that there's not enough Infrastructure

This is ultimately the crux of infrastructure in the U.K.

“We need more infrastructure”

National/Local Government proposes new road/power station/rail line/housing etc.

“Not in my backyard thank you.”

“Your destroying the environment”

Cue years of litigation and millions spent before a shovel is even lifted.

Japans Maglev line is 90% in tunnels and only cost 64 Billion.

Why couldn't the government just built it underground and solve all these issues with court cases? Surely this will be the only way in the future.

Also tunnels are more damaging just in other ways.

 

[adam cool dude]

This is ultimately the crux of infrastructure in the U.K.

“We need more infrastructure”

National/Local Government proposes new road/power station/rail line/housing etc.

“Not in my backyard thank you.”

“Your destroying the environment”

Cue years of litigation and millions spent before a shovel is even lifted.




Also tunnels are more damaging just in other ways.

I bet if people realised that a direct link to London would not only make their houses go up in value but bring in more money as wages in the area would obviously increase.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

It doesn’t even need to be a link to London, where I used to live shot up in value overnight when the last few miles of dual carriageway on the A11 which connects Norfolk to the rest of the world were duelled and the locally infamous Elevden Crossroads traffic lights were taken out.

It took less than 10 mins off journey times through normal rush hour. Fri/Mon on a bank holiday weekend used to be horrific mind you can see caravans for miles in the traffic queue and are now much better.

 

[keyser]

I bet if people realised that a direct link to London would not only make their houses go up in value but bring in more money as wages in the area would obviously increase.

That means first time buyers will be priced out of Birmingham, we'll have to head further north There is a lot of housing currently on the market being sold as an investment because HS2 a comin.

 

[jellybeard999]

I always said this but as usual, unless it's going to benefit London. They don't care.

This really. It's the same with motorways.

 

[arknor]

This really. It's the same with motorways.

probably because the political elite seem to live there and only go somewhere else in the country to don a high vis vest and farm votes on a PR campaign.
give it 30-40years I think all the "elite" families are ruined as regular people take over.

as less peolpe watch regular tv and the news then the government political parties influence will disapear.

We've already had youtubers running for mayor etc it won't be that long until it becomes the norm and I doubt they will do worse than the current crop of politicians

 

[Eurofighter]

They better build it, other countries have had high speed rail for years. It's all these NIMBYs, especially the rich ones in the southern countryside. We need a massive investment in infrastructure in this country, especially in the north and south west. All the government and BBC care about is London.

No surprise that Boris's promise to "level up the north" was a lie.

Ohh no Covid, any excuse.

 

[Tefal]

Japans Maglev line is 90% in tunnels and only cost 64 Billion.

Why couldn't the government just built it underground and solve all these issues with court cases? Surely this will be the only way in the future.

Hs2 is being sued because its tunnels went through aquifers

 

[GIBURROWS]

108 billion according to the media, does this not deserve hate?

 

[doodah]

And that won't be close to the final figure. The economic benefit equations must be interesting when going from an original ~£30bn to >£100bn.

 

[413x]

Can't stand hs2

such a vast sum of money to benefit such a small portion of the population in such an insignificant way at same time doing so much damage to the environment.

What a waste.

 

[StriderX]

And that won't be close to the final figure. The economic benefit equations must be interesting when going from an original ~£30bn to >£100bn.

Probably 1:1 cost-benefit ratio by now, likely go negative once all the Tory donors get a slice of it.

 

[doodah]

Probably 1:1 cost-benefit ratio by now, likely go negative once all the Tory donors get a slice of it.

I remember it being ~£1.32 way back when. Heck even if it's 1:1, I'd take that. But yes, judging by this government's sole aim of extracting as much money as they can for personal gain, I don't have much hope.

 

[Greebo]

Probably 1:1 cost-benefit ratio by now, likely go negative once all the Tory donors get a slice of it.

I remember it being ~£1.32 way back when. Heck even if it's 1:1, I'd take that. But yes, judging by this government's sole aim of extracting as much money as they can for personal gain, I don't have much hope.

Pretty sure last figure i saw it was £0.95 return every £1 spent and its costs have increased since then. But 1:1 is an awful target anyway. Not when things like putting fibre into every household in the country gives something like a 5:1 return and was only a fraction of the total cost of HS2. its a disgrace we have fibre to only 8% of households in the uk compared with 70-80% in Spain and Portugal.

Even properly fixing every pot hole in the country was a few billion and gave more than 1:1 return.

In fact every other project the Govt could have spent this money on gave massively better returns on investment was even more reason I was surprised they pushed ahead with HS2.