why all the hate for hs2?

Greebo said:
Except that at the moment its only going to manchester, with the rest of the scheme looking like it will be shelved. It might even yet stop at Birmingham.

But yeah, it knocks an hour off the Manchester to London time from 2 hrs 7mins currently to 1 hour 7 minutes.
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After covid and now a lot of people working from home or fancying a better work life balance will the demand to get to London an hour quicker at what will be an exorbitant ticket price?
 
GIBURROWS said:
After covid and now a lot of people working from home or fancying a better work life balance will the demand to get to London an hour quicker at what will be an exorbitant ticket price?
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Exactly. With climate change and the move to more and more people working from home and travelling less, fibre to every house in the country at a fraction of the cost was a much better idea than HS2.
 
There has been no government in my lifetime worthy of my vote, no matter the colour of the party they are all bumbling oxygen thieving dimwits.
 
Greebo said:
Except that at the moment its only going to manchester, with the rest of the scheme looking like it will be shelved. It might even yet stop at Birmingham.

But yeah, it knocks an hour off the Manchester to London time from 2 hrs 7mins currently to 1 hour 7 minutes.
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But if it goes to Manchester there will be junctions which allow trains from further north on the West Coast Main Line to join HS2 infrastructure, or passengers on other services can change onto hs2 services at Manchester or crewe, so even if the line doesn't go all the way to Scotland, journey time benefits will still be felt there.
 
Greebo said:
Exactly. With climate change and the move to more and more people working from home and travelling less, fibre to every house in the country at a fraction of the cost was a much better idea than HS2.
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Both should be happening.

We are a car dependant nation which i find mad for such a tiny island. Brexit and Covid have definitely changed things but it would be short sighted to conclude that the level of travelling will remain at this level into the future. If we manage to stay out of lockdown until this time next year we can see how rail travel numbers have changed properly.

Steampunk said:
Is that capacity unlock based on the wild promises of hugely faster trains and vast numbers of trains per hour that no other railway in the world can run and no one thinks can be run on HS2? ie more lies and exaggeration as to what we will get out of HS2 in the hopes of distracting from the astronomically rising costs.
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It comes from moving fast services off slow lines, that alone is a huge increase in capacity for slower stopping services. Yes the TPH for the actual high speed line is ambitious at best, but it's not the frequency of HS2 trains that generate the extra capacity.
 
Greebo said:
Except that at the moment its only going to manchester, with the rest of the scheme looking like it will be shelved. It might even yet stop at Birmingham.

But yeah, it knocks an hour off the Manchester to London time from 2 hrs 7mins currently to 1 hour 7 minutes.
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Or if you ignore the time entirely if it just runs the same trains as the existing line it increases capacity by 100%
 
Greebo said:
Exactly. With climate change and the move to more and more people working from home and travelling less, fibre to every house in the country at a fraction of the cost was a much better idea than HS2.
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Why?

Fibre is utterly unessecery for most work. Broadband or fiber to the cabinet gets 30+mb.

And everyone wfh would kinda decimate our service based economy
 
Tefal said:
Why?

Fibre is utterly unessecery for most work. Broadband or fiber to the cabinet gets 30+mb.

And everyone wfh would kinda decimate our service based economy
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fibre to the cabinet doesnt get you 30+, not where I live plus upload speeds are only 1-2Mb. No good for zoom meetings or uploading large files.

We are way behind most of the rest of the world getting fibre to every household. Its the future.

And it wouldnt happen overnight so people in those type of services would need to aadapt and find different things to do.

You honestly think the future is to build more and more trains and motorways?
 
Tefal said:
Or if you ignore the time entirely if it just runs the same trains as the existing line it increases capacity by 100%
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why do we need double the amount of people travelling from Birmingham to London to work? Why not move the jobs to Birmingham?
 
Malevolence said:
At least you can get fibre. I'm in the middle of a large city and can't get fibre of any flavour due to the cabinet not being activated, exchange is but the cabinet isn't. So I'm stuck on crappy 1MB/s ADSL2+
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We get 8mb download and 1mb upload on FTTC. Grinds to a snails pace at peak time in an evening. So nothing to get too excited about.
 
Greebo said:
We are way behind most of the rest of the world getting fibre to every household. Its the future.
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:cry::cry::cry::cry::D

Oh god in your universe a world map has a lot fewer countries doesn't it



You honestly think the future is to build more and more trains and motorways?
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Yes, I mean in your fantasy everyone just sits at home?

They don't travel at all? Or only locally? Just sit on zoom?

Fantastically unrealistic.


You can plan for a fantasy world or you can plan for reality
 
Greebo said:
why do we need double the amount of people travelling from Birmingham to London to work? Why not move the jobs to Birmingham?
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Because the jobs are in London.

The jobs are where the people are and where the people want to be.

It's why it was all so ridiculous when people claimed the city would move en mass to frankfurt, the people in those jobs want to be in London. Where the things that are in London are.

But as we aren't going to be changing the law on using vertical there anytime soon, and the costs is prohibitive people will commute.


Also it's not just work its recreation a quicker journey makes it more feasible to go for a night or a day or a show etc.
 
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