why all the hate for hs2?
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I remember hearing the same same thing. I heard that cost was part of consideration and that it is cheaper to to just leave them there than to dismantle them to bring it up.
One of the two TBM for the channel tunnel was left underground while the other was dismantled to be used as a monument
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I'm gonna start sounding like a broken record but you couldn't make this up. The government are mulling cutting out stage 2 of HS2. £100+ bn for a train between London and Brum, if that isn't one of the greatest inefficient/reckless wastes of money.......
And another **** you to the North after levelling down and massive watering down of the Northern Powerhouse/Rail project. The whole point was a high speed rail between London, the midlands and the North. At this rate it's just going to be an additional underground line in London. Chances of this saving going towards a tax cut with some voodoo accounting?
And another **** you to the North after levelling down and massive watering down of the Northern Powerhouse/Rail project. The whole point was a high speed rail between London, the midlands and the North. At this rate it's just going to be an additional underground line in London. Chances of this saving going towards a tax cut with some voodoo accounting?
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absolute keek show now
realistically how can you go so far over budget and still have so many cuts to a project without it being poorly managed?
what is it with this country that we just accept this from private companies and when they do fail we bail them out again and again
it should be a case of money in escrow, company delivers as promised- paid in full. company doesnt deliver they get nothing. they deliver late, they get a reduced payment
realistically how can you go so far over budget and still have so many cuts to a project without it being poorly managed?
what is it with this country that we just accept this from private companies and when they do fail we bail them out again and again
it should be a case of money in escrow, company delivers as promised- paid in full. company doesnt deliver they get nothing. they deliver late, they get a reduced payment
Dont worry it well end up at 200billion to go 30 miles north of London super fast and be the greatest investment ever.
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Inflation is making the costs spiral says government who have deliberately slowed down the project. Just build the entire thing as fast as possible and be done with it.
I'd love to see an independent audit of this whole thing carried out, from start to finish, every penny, where it's gone.
I'd also like to see a parallel drawn between average earnings of all involved since the day the project went live.
The day someone announces a full in-depth audit I reckon all those in power will scurry away like rotten little insects who've just seen daylight for the first time.
I'd also like to see a parallel drawn between average earnings of all involved since the day the project went live.
The day someone announces a full in-depth audit I reckon all those in power will scurry away like rotten little insects who've just seen daylight for the first time.
I bet there'd be done right dodgy stuff going on with links between contractors and politicians.
Total scam. Scrap the damn thing and save some cash
It seems like another execise in transferring our money in taxes to private companies and individuals.
They have enough money for this but the government pleads poverty when it comes to paying out a good salary, pension, and benefits.
They have enough money for this but the government pleads poverty when it comes to paying out a good salary, pension, and benefits.
Exactly this.
If you cost something in say 2000 with an expectation it'll be finishing by 2020, but you don't actually start building until 5+ years later than planned due to a host of expensive legal challenges then you're over budget before you've got the first shovel of soil moved, if just because the cumulative interest/inflation means that you're now 10-20% more expensive (and IIRC several things like the cost of steel went up far more than expected, so that affected every large building project).
By the time you're 5-10 years late due to delays the costs are always going to just keep increasing and the worst possible thing you can do to "keep costs down" is introduce more delays as every delay costs money and that adds up.
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Sounds like best case is London to Birmingham and worst case (as above) a glorified TFL line for North London. a lot of "leaks" over the past few years have been unofficial statements of policy from the Tory Govs, much to the annoyance of Parliament which expect to be told before Twitter.
I can't wait to drive London to Birmingham because sure as **** won't be using HS2 when the prices comes out, bet it'll be the most expensive form of transport by miles. So a train for the wealthy?
I can't wait to drive London to Birmingham because sure as **** won't be using HS2 when the prices comes out, bet it'll be the most expensive form of transport by miles. So a train for the wealthy?
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This therein lies the problem. I am not sure how other countries handle it. Japan for example seem to just get things done compared to ourselves. In the UK however the private contractors just seem to milk the tax payer for all they are worth. It is a massive gravy train for them. Especially a big contract like this.
The A1 repairs to the Wentbridge Viaduct is a prime example of this. The original dates were Spring 2023 to August 2023 but someone messed up, there is a hole in the bridge and now it is going to take them till Spring 2024. Anyone who gets caught in the traffic there will see as they go past that basically no one is working on it all.
The irony is that the original build of the Wentbridge Viaduct took two years to complete and this "repair" is going to take the same amount of time. I understand you can argue about H&S and this isn't the 60's anymore but it is all a big joke in the end.
This was far worse in Japan and fixed in a week.
Blink and you'll miss it: Japanese sinkhole repaired at speed – video
A 30-metre sinkhole on a busy street in the Japanese city of Fukuoka has been repaired astonishingly quickly
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If you're properly wealthy, then surely London to Birmingham warrants a helicopter ride rather than catching nits on glorified public transport?
I'll always say that it would have been to spread 100bln around local transport.
They absolutely should cut their losses right now.
It's already a disaster and if they continue will just be throwing good money after bad.
Bring a halt to the whole thing except the bits that have already broken ground.
Exactly. There are far, far, far better uses for this money, and the inevitable further costs as they continue to spiral out of control.
A fraction of this money could fix the UK's broadband. A massively better investment.
Network Rail can't even maintain the existing network (they have a policy of "managed decline") so what on Earth are we doing spending astonishing sums on white elephant projects that are essentially bottomless money pits of extremely dubious benefit...
It's not even hard to think what else we could have done with that money.
The "Dawlish Avoiding Line", re-opening entire branch lines, more electrification... they could have done some really great things and multiple really great things, with the money that's been set on fire in this vanity project.
They made a big song and dance about the "Restoring your Railway" fund, then quietly abandoned it. Funding from that pot is basically non-existent, and accessing it impossible. A pure PR stunt. Yet time and time again this is what people actually want.
The "Dawlish Avoiding Line", re-opening entire branch lines, more electrification... they could have done some really great things and multiple really great things, with the money that's been set on fire in this vanity project.
They made a big song and dance about the "Restoring your Railway" fund, then quietly abandoned it. Funding from that pot is basically non-existent, and accessing it impossible. A pure PR stunt. Yet time and time again this is what people actually want.
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why do people act like this is such a poor country, we can do HS2 and all the other projects ‘the money could be better spent on’ too.
We have a rubbish record at delivering major infrastructure projects within budget and spec. That won’t improve while we bicker over what should and shouldn’t a pitiful budget should be spent on.
We have a rubbish record at delivering major infrastructure projects within budget and spec. That won’t improve while we bicker over what should and shouldn’t a pitiful budget should be spent on.