why all the hate for hs2?

[GreatAuk]

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No one is talking about out of date. Just we didn't have to beat the rest of Europe here. It would have been fine had we matched the rest of Europe.

Having the ability to run trains at that higher top speed gives flexibility for service patterns, and makes the line more useful. I'm not sure the design is significantly different from other projects either - eg apparently the minimum turn radius used on the highest design speed sections is the same as France is using for their newer LGV routes, 7.2km.

Sure if the design speed on some sections was lower then you could wiggle the route around more to avoid the odd tree, but I don't think it's been shown that that would actually save a significant amount of money or reduce local opposition. The route is already pretty good at avoiding settlements and environmental impacts - NIMBYs would protest it however wiggly you made the route.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Having the ability to run trains at that higher top speed gives flexibility for service patterns, and makes the line more useful. I'm not sure the design is significantly different from other projects either - eg apparently the minimum turn radius used on the highest design speed sections is the same as France is using for their newer LGV routes, 7.2km.

Sure if the design speed on some sections was lower then you could wiggle the route around more to avoid the odd tree, but I don't think it's been shown that that would actually save a significant amount of money or reduce local opposition. The route is already pretty good at avoiding settlements and environmental impacts - NIMBYs would protest it however wiggly you made the route.

It made a huge difference.

 

[SupraWez]

Trains in this country are too expensive and not likely to get cheaper, if anything with large projects they price will only go up.

There was a story on LBC the other morning where a couple purchased a car and needed to collect it, it was cheaper for them to fly via Spain and catch some sun than get a direct train ticket.

 

[Scam]

What do you mean by it's seized up? Too many people trying to use it? Issues with trains/tracks causing delays?

This week it has been;

• Points failure
• Shortage of train crew
• Signalling fault
• Trespasser on the track
• A broken rail

Variously, all of which meant either delays and/or cancelled trains for long periods of time.

 

[loftie]

This week it has been;

• Points failure
• Shortage of train crew
• Signalling fault
• Trespasser on the track
• A broken rail

Variously, all of which meant either delays and/or cancelled trains for long periods of time.

Ooof, that's a lot of **** for one week. TBF though, they're all things that can, hopefully, be sorted out in the future to be less frequent. Does it normally have that many issues?

 

[Scam]

Ooof, that's a lot of **** for one week. TBF though, they're all things that can, hopefully, be sorted out in the future to be less frequent. Does it normally have that many issues?

Obviously some weeks are worse than others. But I thought it was common knowledge how poorly the EL is performing? https://www.timeout.com/london/news...train-line-in-the-uk-for-cancellations-091123

Most of the problems are WoP, so as I said above adding HS2 works into the mix and work at OOC is just going to be horrendous. Then when it is actually done my 18min commute will also be longer because of an additional stop that nobody wanted anyway

 

[loftie]

Obviously some weeks are worse than others. But I thought it was common knowledge how poorly the EL is performing? https://www.timeout.com/london/news...train-line-in-the-uk-for-cancellations-091123

Most of the problems are WoP, so as I said above adding HS2 works into the mix and work at OOC is just going to be horrendous. Then when it is actually done my 18min commute will also be longer because of an additional stop that nobody wanted anyway

I knew it had reliability issues a while back, but didn't know they were still continuing tbh. The only thing I vaguely remember reading about it recently (IIRC) was that the company running it was changing.

 

[jpaul]

In addition to 3rd runway - whether the trains run on time/more economically, with Kier's new public 'ownership' will be a measure come the next election
(and a good piece of headline if they don't) what's your progess Kier.

 

[Ali195]

This week it has been;

• Points failure
• Shortage of train crew
• Signalling fault
• Trespasser on the track
• A broken rail

Variously, all of which meant either delays and/or cancelled trains for long periods of time.

There’s a lot to go wrong, though I find with trains it’s all or nothing. Yesterday was tree on the track, hours of cancellations. Eventually gave up, walked to another station which runs to neighbouring town. Got on, but within minutes we’re stuck behind a train with stuck breaks, blocking the line. 30 minutes later we finally carried on. Was a total shambles really.

- Who is to blame for lack of tree care? National Rail I guess.

- Train company to blame for poorly maintained stock.

So I got in 1930 instead of 1815, ate some food and basically went to bed.

Generally though, it’s not the train but the network, aka the expensive part.

 

[Em3bbs]

The Nationalised part.