Why GPU prices are NOT likely to drop significantly EVER!

[Harold lloyd]

Only 10fps is a BIG difference at 4k. 35fps and 45fps feel vastly different with 35fps definitely not being a smooth experience. Even the consoles are moving away from 30fps now.

I used the tuner to alter the clocks on my 6700xt to test your theory, 35+ seems smooth enough on ghost recon wildlands and f1 2020 and others, I can't detect any jerky motion? 45fps+ seem about the
same, nothing noticeable. 60 fps+ is a bit smoother but nothing major.
Consoles had that cheap slow hardware, but still was playable at 30 fps, now they are getting faster hardware due to tech/prices filtering down.

 

[Harold lloyd]

There is a thing called brand premium, that alone is going to make it unlikely we will see future significant price drops.

We might see cards get closer to MSRP if supply and demand balance improves, but dont expect much more then that.

Yep brand premium, they got all these funky designs, coolers, rgb etc, you have to pay a premium for all that.

 

[Harold lloyd]

1. I only play games at 4K (hate dropping down to 1440p or 1080p)
2. Look at the difficult 4k games like Watch Dogs Legion and Metro Exodus its only about 10 fps more for 6800 and that is hardly noticeable.
3. 35fps+ is enough for a smooth experience, you don't need 60 or 120fps every game, super image quality over fps any day.
4. Raster rendering is going nowhere fast, its nearing a dead end so logically MS are moving on to RT so why pay a premium of ≈£200 for the 6800 or higher GPU when its not necessary?
5. I'm a 20 years+ DirectX programmer, I know what to turn off to get a fps boost like ugly ambient occlusion effects etc.
6. You need too go back to the drawing board and look at data under the microscope not through a wide angle lens.

Basically I'm saying don't spend on a monster card right now (unless you want 120fps or whatever), buy mid-range and should last next 2 years when you'll want to upgrade if monster RT performance cards appear.
Its the same ol same ol with raster rendering, devs are bringing *NOTHING* new to the table. RT is still primitive and doesn't offer much apart from a gimmick.
Look at games like Cp2077, WDL, MSFS 2020 and Metro Exodus which push the high end GPUs, all devs have done is increase scene complexity that is more triangles/textures with a bit of colored/neon light on top, which eat up Vram and push the GPU, but its the same ol thing we've gotten for the last 5 years or so.
Not worth spending big money on yet in my opinion.

 

[Purgatory]

There are youtube videos stating some cards are now below MSRP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB73e1BtPGM

That whole channel is lies and clickbait. One to avoid.

 

[Poneros]

Seems like it (story about 3060s sell-off) might fake news:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/oh4yqh/why_does_videocards_promo_a_fake_news_then/

 

[Grim5]

GPU prices shall drop next year, but prices will only fall as low as the current MSRP - I cannot see next gen cards having any lower MSRP than the current cards high inflation has it, people are getting paid more at work and demand has not dropped off - msrp prices cannot go down

 

[pp111]

Tax man can't do anything because the items the scalpers bought is already paid tax. So you don't need to pay tax twice for the same product

That's incorrect. Whenever you sell anything and make a profit you are liable to be taxed. A profit is, after all, an income. The average Jo can sell an item on ebay and make some money without fear of a visit from HMRC, but if you make a hobby of it ( a scalper ) as soon as you hit £1000 you are going to be taxed. This is what kills me about the scalpers going public. They don't seem to realise that while they are publicly bragging that they are making tens of thousands, they are opening themselves up for a visit from the taxman and they stand to lose a very substantial portion of their profit, and worse, could end up in court for tax evasion.

 

[pp111]

GPU prices shall drop next year, but prices will only fall as low as the current MSRP - I cannot see next gen cards having any lower MSRP than the current cards high inflation has it, people are getting paid more at work and demand has not dropped off - msrp prices cannot go down

I agree. I suspect that NVIDIA has learnt it's lesson when it released the 3080 at "such a low RRP". We will never see that happen again. Well, not until intel enter the market. Maybe, just maybe that might force NVIDIA to be more competitive.

 

[oldestgregg]

I used the tuner to alter the clocks on my 6700xt to test your theory, 35+ seems smooth enough on ghost recon wildlands and f1 2020 and others, I can't detect any jerky motion? 45fps+ seem about the
same, nothing noticeable. 60 fps+ is a bit smoother but nothing major.
Consoles had that cheap slow hardware, but still was playable at 30 fps, now they are getting faster hardware due to tech/prices filtering down.

Sorry but that makes no sense. 35fps is 35fps regardless of if thats a GT710 or an RTX3090. Gsync or Freesync may smooth that down and while it is playable, the fact you find it smooth does not make it smooth. I would say a vast majority of the people on these forums will agree 35fps is not smooth and 60 is a lot different.

 

[pp111]

"It's like finally getting a girlfriend but in reality she has been a porn star for 1000 years......" credit to 'asturur'

The average bloke wishes he was a pornstar, yet a woman pornstar apparently isn't worthy of a boyfriend? Kinda outdated thinking there, even if it is meant to be a joke.

 

[pp111]

Sorry but that makes no sense. 35fps is 35fps regardless of if thats a GT710 or an RTX3090. Gsync or Freesync may smooth that down and while it is playable, the fact you find it smooth does not make it smooth. I would say a vast majority of the people on these forums will agree 35fps is not smooth and 60 is a lot different.

60fps is painfully flickery lol. To my mind 80fps is the absolute minimum anyone should ever consider.

 

[oldestgregg]

60fps is painfully flickery lol. To my mind 80fps is the absolute minimum anyone should ever consider.

Exactly. Getting a little confused with "what I feel is OK". If 30fps was smooth why are even the consoles aiming for 120fps now? Panning that camera in 35fps mode is a slide show unless Gsync or Freesync is making it more bearable,which I have a feeling he may have.

 

[Guest2]

The average bloke wishes he was a pornstar, yet a woman pornstar apparently isn't worthy of a boyfriend? Kinda outdated thinking there, even if it is meant to be a joke.

Women stretch. If the penis got shorter after sex, then I highly doubt the average male would want to be a male pornstar! Nothing to do with being outdated

 

[FoxEye]

The average bloke wishes he was a pornstar <snip>

Maybe stop reading those lads mags I don't think the average bloke wishes he was a porn star. Maybe hung like one...

 

[4k4uNuNu]

Erm, we might have gone off topic.

Prices won't come down to msrp until demand is met. New factories and the pandemic going away are the two main factors (miners and scalpers not helping either). I'd say a year or two at least.

 

[Scougar]

6700XT saw another $100 dollars of the in store price today and is $829.
3070Ti is $799 (Can't remember the previous price now).

Mind you... A friend posted 'container prices' from Shanghai. They are absolutely insane now. (I can only assume they are high from Taiwan as well).

 

[stooeh]

I used the tuner to alter the clocks on my 6700xt to test your theory, 35+ seems smooth enough on ghost recon wildlands and f1 2020 and others, I can't detect any jerky motion? 45fps+ seem about the
same, nothing noticeable. 60 fps+ is a bit smoother but nothing major.
Consoles had that cheap slow hardware, but still was playable at 30 fps, now they are getting faster hardware due to tech/prices filtering down.

Playable yes but not ideal

Played Doom Eternal on the switch - 30 fps was doable but painful compared to PC - I'd much rather play at 80+ to be honest

Some games are fine at lower FPS like MSFS I would say but not shooters or fast paced games.

 

[Slam62]

Hi everybody,
I thought I would put in a post of why inflation is going to keep up and create a new normal in the world.
I know lots of you are sitting on the side lines waiting for a big drop in GPU prices before buying but the days of getting a decent GPU for £500 or £700 are well gone, expect to pay £1k+ for decent and £2k+ for top end.

1. inflation isn't something that just goes up a few points per year when it really appears there is a huge
surge which goes on and on

2. the commodities upcycle is only getting started=inflation

3. the US has trillions in debt, they don't have the money to pay bond holders so the fed and treasury will keep interest rates down and inflate their dollar to try and inflate away the debt=inflation.
Once inflation appears and surges like you seeing now they are *NOT* going to raise interest rates to combat it but keep inflation running high which is in their interests! (and what do you think BOE will do here in the UK!) what you'll get in a short space of time is a currency devaluation not just US/UK but globally.

4. You may know I'm predicting all 3 major US stock markets to go over finally during the last few months of this year. Now this will be the first of the major bubbles to pop followed by the housing bubble a bit later. As the huge bubbles pop you're going to get more currency devaluation=inflation!

5. GPU shortages/prices are just the tip of the iceberg, once you see the surge of inflation go into food and everyday items then its time to be worried.

See what happens in a few months and Prepare for the biggest financial event of your lifetimes!

Regards, Harold

I've been saying this for ten years, can you wait another ten? This is the new normal

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Exactly. Getting a little confused with "what I feel is OK". If 30fps was smooth why are even the consoles aiming for 120fps now? Panning that camera in 35fps mode is a slide show unless Gsync or Freesync is making it more bearable,which I have a feeling he may have.

TV in the UK is broadcast at 25 FPS. It looked smooth as butter when England beat Denmark.

Yet a mouse pointer looks jittery at 60 FPS.

It's not as clear cut as saying 35 FPS is a slideshow and 80 FPS is smooth. Depends on the content. Some games do look smooth at 35 FPS while others like a fast paced shooter needs around 80 FPS before you can perceive the same level of smoothness.

 

[z10m]

TV in the UK is broadcast at 25 FPS. It looked smooth as butter when England beat Denmark.

Except that 25fps is delivered interlaced and once deinterlaced by TV it turns in to 50fps which is displayed at 50hz.
And let’s not forget that “most” people have frame interpolation enabled on their TVs.