Windows 10 is it the worst ever version ?

What's that got to do with section 7b, which is what gareth170 was discussing?

But on your comment, where does it say the US Government can access whatever data they want without needing any legal case to do so?

Edit: You know what, I'll save you the hassle of trying to create an argument to mask that you've posted crap again. All the information you need is here:

http://www.microsoft.com/about/corporatecitizenship/en-us/reporting/transparency/pppfaqs/

What are Microsoft principles and policies for responding to government legal demands for customer data?

Microsoft adheres to the same principles for all requests from government agencies for user data, requiring governmental entities to follow the applicable laws, rules and procedures for requesting customer data. Microsoft does not provide any government with direct and unfettered access to our customers’ data, and we do not provide any government with our encryption keys or the ability to break our encryption. If a government wants customer data, it needs to follow applicable legal process – meaning, it must serve us with a warrant or court order for content or a subpoena for subscriber information or other non-content data. We require that any requests be targeted at specific accounts and identifiers. Microsoft's compliance team reviews government demands for user data to ensure the requests are valid, rejects those that are not valid, and only provides the data specified in the legal order.
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Microsoft have access to your data, but for anyone else to get access to it they need to go through the proper legal channels. There is no direct government access without needing any legal basis.
 
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Skeeter said:
What's that got to do with section 7b, which is what gareth170 was discussing?

But on your comment, where does it say the US Government can access whatever data they want without needing any legal case to do so?

Edit: You know what, I'll save you the hassle of trying to create an argument to mask that you've posted crap again. All the information you need is here:

http://www.microsoft.com/about/corporatecitizenship/en-us/reporting/transparency/pppfaqs/



Microsoft have access to your data, but for anyone else to get access to it they need to go through the proper legal channels. There is no direct government access without needing any legal basis.
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Cough "The patriot act" Cough.

All win 10 info goes straight to Redmond even if you turn everything off.
http://arstechnica.co.uk/informatio...ndows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

Before win 10 the Govermnets had ot get a warrent to get your data. Now there's no need.
Also win 10 has a look on what's on your NAS if it's conected to your net work and Win 10 cal access it.

Glad I'll be on the beach having fun when win 7s time is up :)
 
You really are just reading every scaremongering click bait article and believing them, aren't you?

The Government still needs to raise the appropriate legal documentation to access stuff through the Patriot Act. They don't have free access to wander around everyone's data, and they certainly don't have access to your NAS.
 
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You really are just reading every scaremongering click bait article and believing them, aren't you?

The Government still needs to raise the appropriate legal documentation to access stuff through the Patriot Act. They don't have free access to wander around everyone's data, and they certainly don't have access to your NAS.
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I really don't know if you're acting thick for a argument or?

As I'm a Brit\Yank I know about The patriot act. In fact most people do.

But just for you.

Most of the data was kept in Ireland but the USA gov wanted the data anyway so hence

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...t-microsoft-personal-data-emails-irish-server

To get around this all data from win 10 goes to Ireland AND the USA.So the USA gov can get it easy.

Win 10 can access anything YOU let it. If the NAS has shares ect. then yes they can see your data.
In the same way Google keep trying to grab hold of pictures on synology NAS. It's on the synology forum, just look.
 
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In your own source...

In a detailed ruling on Friday, US Magistrate Judge James Francis said that US companies, including Microsoft and Google, must turn over private information when served with a valid search warrant from US law enforcement agencies.
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They still need to go through the courts to get access to the data.
 
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Microsoft fight tooth and nail to prevent the US government accessing their offshore datacentres.

Why? Because a large amount of their customer's data (and customer's of customer's data) has been specifically stored on datacentres outside of the US to help protect their data from US government law. This includes all computer systems based on Microsoft Azure which is a major cash cow for them. Without fighting, their customers may move away from Azure back to locally hosted computer systems.

Microsoft has an entire website dedicated to their protection of their customer's data and are vocal of their criticism with the current US laws here - http://digitalconstitution.com/

Here is a recent blog post about how they have been fighting against a US warrant to release emails from their Irish server - http://digitalconstitution.com/2015/04/our-legal-challenge-to-a-u-s-government-search-warrant/

These are not the actions of a company who are going to hand over your personal data easily.
 
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In your own source...



They still need to go through the courts to get access to the data.
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Yes. It would take a few hours under The patriot act.

This isn't the UK were you can go to courts for years and then go to the EU court and then the european rights court.

If they wanted your data you couldn't stop the USA as your not a yank.
 
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Microsoft fight tooth and nail to prevent the US government accessing their offshore datacentres.

Why? Because a large amount of their customer's data (and customer's of customer's data) has been specifically stored on datacentres outside of the US to help protect their data from US government law. This includes all computer systems based on Microsoft Azure which is a major cash cow for them. Without fighting, their customers may move away from Azure back to locally hosted computer systems.

Microsoft has an entire website dedicated to their protection of their customer's data and are vocal of their criticism with the current US laws here - http://digitalconstitution.com/

Here is a recent blog post about how they have been fighting against a US warrant to release emails from their Irish server - http://digitalconstitution.com/2015/04/our-legal-challenge-to-a-u-s-government-search-warrant/

These are not the actions of a company who are going to hand over your personal data easily.
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True.
But now that windows 10 (for normal users) data goes to Redmond.
What MS will do about companies is anyone's idea.
 
@deuse why read articles about it when MS as the information on their own site?

and you do know it isn't just win10 MS Collects information. it happens on nearly everything, even win7/8/8.1, even tho you can remove the KB update on win7 but sooner than later MS will make it so it must be installed..
 
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I love Windows 10 :). Best Windows operating system since Windows 8.1 :D

Seriously, I do really like it. An overall improved experience especially to desktop/traditional laptop users and to me feels much more natural to use than 8 and 8.1 - things just seem to be where I expect them rather than trying to find them or finding workarounds for things I prefer to be done differently. That start screen has never felt right in 8 and now everything just hangs off the start menu.

I'm trying to make my Sammy S3 last until end of the year when some of the flagship Win 10 phones will be available - keen to try one after using Android for 3+ years. Don't have a problem with Andriod bit would like to see this one fits all Windows 10 OS in action on a phone too, working with my other devices.
 
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It treats users like idiots for example you don't get any control over windows update.
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This is actually the best policy for most users. Many less technical people are not going to install updates unless they install automatically, and might turn updates off without knowing the importance of having a fully patched OS.

It's not treating people like idiots.. it's treating people like people who don't want to think about software updates, possibly don't understand their importance fully, and are increasingly used to the regular update model on iOS, etc.

The browser is pig ugly and worse than IE.
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Ugly is a matter of opinion. How is it worse than IE, though? It's faster and more compatible in almost every way (except with plugins - but anything that brings us closer to seeing the back of Flash, Silverlight and Java suits me fine).

You have to be very careful if you don't want to use a password to log on.
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MS (like Apple and Google) wants you to buy their phones and tablets as well as their OS, and to sync between them. This is the way the industry's going - each of these companies wants to be the only one in your digital life. This means using an online account and a password.

Of course if you don't like this you're free to use a local account without a password. But many users expect syncing between devices these days.

Bring back MS DOS for speed and productivity lol.
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In my experience Win10 is the fastest version of Windows yet, and the best for productivity.

Under the hood it's basically a refined version of Win8 (which was a refined version of Win7), so I'm not sure why it would be slower.
 
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Mattus said:
This is actually the best policy for most users. Many less technical people are not going to install updates unless they install automatically, and might turn updates off without knowing the importance of having a fully patched OS.

It's not treating people like idiots.. it's treating people like people who don't want to think about software updates, possibly don't understand their importance fully, and are increasingly used to the regular update model on iOS, etc.
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As a default option sure - forcing it on everyone with (relatively) limited options for working around it without "hacking" functionality isn't a great idea as can be seen from a few other threads on here where automatic/forced updates are causing problems. Even with delaying updates, etc. I've run into situations where sometimes I want to quickly boot up to check something and had to sit for 5-10 minutes through updates on startup for instance.

I can't agree on the performance side - while its quite fast at some stuff (some benefits in specific areas) in general/overall use I'm finding my systems with 8.1 installed significantly faster than 10 which generally seems more on par with 7 in terms of overall performance - infact doing anything non-trivial with explorer in 10 is slower than 7 by a noticeable amount.
 
gareth170 said:
@deuse why read articles about it when MS as the information on their own site?

and you do know it isn't just win10 MS Collects information. it happens on nearly everything, even win7/8/8.1, even tho you can remove the KB update on win7 but sooner than later MS will make it so it must be installed..
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I use a hardware firewall. I know where the connections are going to but not what they are sending.

gareth170 if anyone in the world wanted my data(win 7) they would have to go to a UK court to get it. Now they don't ;)

Deuse hugs his retail win 7.... :D
 
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None. Its totally BS made up by people deliberately misinterpreting the EULA.

Microsoft have access to your personal files you store in OneDrive and can be forced (by a court order) to disclose them, but they have no direct access to files stored locally on your hard drives and certainly have no access to access your LAN and any shared devices connected to it.

Even the suggestion that they do is ridiculous once you step back and think about it.

Deuses MO is to post crap as 'fact', argue it with sources that don't even support his argument, shift his stance a few times, and then acuse you of being an argumentative child when he realises he's wrong. Oh and he will then drop a casual, unrelated one liner at the bottom of his posts to try and divert the conversation away from his failing.

'Skeeter hugs his ability to read and use common sense' :D
 
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None. Its totally BS made up by people deliberately misinterpreting the EULA.

Microsoft have access to your personal files you store in OneDrive and can be forced (by a court order) to disclose them, but they have no direct access to files stored locally on your hard drives and certainly have no access to access your LAN and any shared devices connected to it.

Even the suggestion that they do is ridiculous once you step back and think about it.
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It seems there's a lot of neckbeard anoraks around that love to stir up BS that doesn't exist, Sad really.
 
Skeeter said:
None. Its totally BS made up by people deliberately misinterpreting the EULA.

Microsoft have access to your personal files you store in OneDrive and can be forced (by a court order) to disclose them, but they have no direct access to files stored locally on your hard drives and certainly have no access to access your LAN and any shared devices connected to it.

Even the suggestion that they do is ridiculous once you step back and think about it.
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Strictly in the realm of conspiracy - but if you take the assumption MS has some malicious intent for the sake of argument there is nothing to stop them sniffing around on local HDDs and logged in network drives if such a feature existed in the code - the OS already has low level control over disc access and networking.

Not that 10 is any different in that regard than previous operating systems - even with 7, 98, etc. you have to take it on faith there aren't "backdoors", etc. (highly unlikely they wouldn't be discovered in the long run if there were though) - aside from the wording of the terms and conditions in 10 "could" be used to give themselves wider powers.
 
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