Windows 10 is it the worst ever version ?

In principle, whats the problem? Microsoft will block illegal software and hardware? They have done that with blacklisting Windows keys for years, and isn't blocking illegal software what every anti cheat system and license key system on all sorts of software has done forever?

Sounds to me like yet another over the top article trying to make a big deal about things that don't exist in what is a pretty ordinary set of terms.

There's nothing concerning in that part of the terms.
 
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Skeeter said:
In principle, whats the problem? Microsoft will block illegal software and hardware? They have done that with blacklisting Windows keys for years, and isn't blocking illegal software what every anti cheat system and license key system on all sorts of software has done forever?

Sounds to me like yet another over the top article trying to make a big deal about things that don't exist in what is a pretty ordinary set of terms.

There's nothing concerning in that part of the terms.
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Edinho said:
So all the world's PCs will stop working? Apart from Skeeters that is.

You really think MS give a toss whats on your computer?
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This is exactly what the Stockholm Syndrome is about.
 
Skeeter said:
In principle, whats the problem? Microsoft will block illegal software and hardware? They have done that with blacklisting Windows keys for years, and isn't blocking illegal software what every anti cheat system and license key system on all sorts of software has done forever?

Sounds to me like yet another over the top article trying to make a big deal about things that don't exist in what is a pretty ordinary set of terms.

There's nothing concerning in that part of the terms.
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Not sure if you are just arguing for the sake of it or really blind to the principle of it (if that was the intention of the wording of the terms and conditions).
 
Proof will be in the pudding, I'm willing to bet we wont here of one story of anyone being "caught" using a dodgy version of software by MS.
 
Rroff said:
Not sure if you are just arguing for the sake of it or really blind to the principle of it (if that was the intention of the wording of the terms and conditions).
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What's to argue about? That clause 7b has been pulled right out of context and then a massive fuss made about stuff it has no relevance to.

It only relates to the "Services" defined in the EULA, specifically:

The following products, apps and services are covered by the Microsoft Services Agreement, but may not be available in your market.
Account.microsoft.com
Advertising.microsoft.com
Bing
Bing Apps
Bing Desktop
Bing Dictionary
Bing in the Classroom
Bing Input
Bing Maps
Bing Navigation
Bing Reader
Bing Rewards
Bing Search app
Bing Toolbar
Bing Torque
Bing Translator
Bing Webmaster
Bing Wikipedia Browser
Bing.com
Bingplaces.com
Choice.microsoft.com
Citizen Next
Cortana
Default Homepage and New Tab Page on Microsoft Edge
Device Health App
HealthVault
Groove
Maps App
Microsoft account
Microsoft Family
Microsoft Health
Microsoft Translator
Microsoft Wallpaper
Microsoft XiaoIce
MSN Dial Up
MSN Explorer
MSN Food & Drink
MSN Health & Fitness
MSN Money
MSN News
MSN Premium
MSN Sports
MSN Travel
MSN Weather
MSN.com
Next Lock Screen
Office 365 Consumer
Office 365 Home
Office 365 Personal
Office 365 University
Office Online
Office Store
Office Sway
Office.com
OneDrive
OneDrive.com
OneNote
Onenote.com
Outlook.com
Picturesque Lock Screen
Pix Lock
Skype
Skype in the Classroom
Skype Manager
Skype Qik
Skype WiFi
Skype.com
Smart Search
Snipp3t
Spreadsheet Keyboard
Sway.com
Translator
UrWeather
Windows Live Mail
Windows Live Writer
Windows Movie Maker
Windows Photo Gallery
Xbox and Windows Games published by Microsoft
Xbox Live
Xbox Music
Xbox Music Pass
Xbox Video
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So no, Microsoft is not going to "sniff out pirate software and block it", your hacked games aren't going to be banned (excluding those made by Microsoft). Your illegally obtained movies aren't going to be reported to Microsoft. What they are going to do is issue updates to their own products to ensure they are legit and ban you from accessing their services if you are using hacked software to do so. So basically exactly the same as VAC, Punkbuster, any software license check, the FW updates you get on PlayStation before you can play games, etc. They are protecting their own services and products with updates and anti piracy checks.

So no, I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I'm applying full context and common sense to silence those who are.

Microsoft cannot check the authenticity of software or hardware they don't own/make without having full access into the licensing systems for those products, which they don't have. Common sense people. Apply it.
 
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You are however glossing over the (potential) implications of MS taking a more intimate level of control over what you can and can't do once the OS is installed.

There is plenty concerning in terms that ostensibly allow a corporation a higher level of control in people's private lives even though the reality is its about MS protecting their services.

EDIT: For MS though its kind of lose/lose situation - they can't really add in some of those services without more drastic terms and conditions and its hard to move the OS forward in a meaningful way without them - which kind of leaves the users having to trust MS's good intentions if they care about that kind of thing.
 
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cu3ed said:
Willing to bet theirs been a similar clause in all the other version of Window's, just no one paid any attention to it.
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Most software/Windows has some degree of it but 10 goes a bit further than typical... they have to really to include some of the features but I can see why people would be wary of it as well.
 
Rroff said:
You are however glossing over the (potential) implications of MS taking a more intimate level of control over what you can and can't do once the OS is installed.

There is plenty concerning in terms that ostensibly allow a corporation a higher level of control in people's private lives even though the reality is its about MS protecting their services.

EDIT: For MS though its kind of lose/lose situation - they can't really add in some of those services without more drastic terms and conditions and its hard to move the OS forward in a meaningful way without them - which kind of leaves the users having to trust MS's good intentions if they care about that kind of thing.
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Where does it suggest that? Section 7b is relaying to the items on their Services list only. Your making something up that doesn't exist and then going "wooo imagine what they could do with that *scary face*".

Microsoft are protecting their own services, as they have always done and as every other software maker does. There's nothing at all to suggest Microsoft are going to start authenticating other people's products, you've just made that up (or more likely that article did and you have just gone along with it).
 
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Skeeter said:
What's to argue about? That clause 7b has been pulled right out of context and then a massive fuss made about stuff it has no relevance to.

It only relates to the "Services" defined in the EULA, specifically:



So no, Microsoft is not going to "sniff out pirate software and block it", your hacked games aren't going to be banned (excluding those made by Microsoft). Your illegally obtained movies aren't going to be reported to Microsoft. What they are going to do is issue updates to their own products to ensure they are legit and ban you from accessing their services if you are using hacked software to do so. So basically exactly the same as VAC, Punkbuster, any software license check, the FW updates you get on PlayStation before you can play games, etc. They are protecting their own services and products with updates and anti piracy checks.

So no, I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I'm applying full context and common sense to silence those who are.

Microsoft cannot check the authenticity of software or hardware they don't own/make without having full access into the licensing systems for those products, which they don't have. Common sense people. Apply it.
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Skeeter said:
Where does it suggest that? Section 7b is relaying to the items on their Services list only. Your making something up that doesn't exist and then going "wooo imagine what they could do with that *scary face*".

Microsoft are protecting their own services, as they have always done and as every other software maker does. There's nothing at all to suggest Microsoft are going to start authenticating other people's products, you've just made that up (or more likely that article did and you have just gone along with it).
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+1...

all this as been blown way out of proportion.
 
Skeeter said:
Where does it suggest that? Section 7b is relaying to the items on their Services list only. Your making something up that doesn't exist and then going "wooo imagine what they could do with that *scary face*".

Microsoft are protecting their own services, as they have always done and as every other software maker does. There's nothing at all to suggest Microsoft are going to start authenticating other people's products, you've just made that up (or more likely that article did and you have just gone along with it).
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Made up what? I said its relating to certain services.
 
People have moaned about every single new version of Windows since the dawn of time. Personally after a small period of acclimatisation I have had few issues with any of them. Including Windows 10, all fine for me so far. :)
 
Getting an odd issue now where explorer will randomly close the folder I'm navigating from when opening a new folder and sometimes on closing a folder the previous one will re-open - either spawning a duplicate if its already open or reopening it if it was closed (usually due to the first bug). Occasionally on closing a folder it will reopen a random one that I've closed recently though usually its just the parent folder of the one I'm closing :S

Seems to be tied to my user account which is odd as it started happening on all the installs logged in with those credentials at the same time.

(Could be connected to the open each explorer window in its own process option).
 
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gareth170 said:
+1...

all this as been blown way out of proportion.
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Thanks. Good to know I'm not alone.

There is a massive flood of click bait articles writing basically completely made up crap about the Windows 10 EULA and people who just want any way they possibly can to make Microsoft sound evil are lapping them up blindly.

The problem is that the genuine problems with Windows 10 (OneDrive being basically broke, the lack of Media Centre, etc) ate being completely missed while the world is focusing all its attention on EULA scare stories about demons that don't exist.
 
gareth170 said:
+1...

all this as been blown way out of proportion.
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Nope.
As you'd know MS has been told by the USA court to give all the data from their European servers to the USA gov.

So far MS has said NO. But now with win 10 there's no need for the courts to get involved.
USA gov can access what data they want as win 10 people say they(MS)USA)) can.
 
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