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I do hope that people send as much feedback and info to microsoft as they can 
Windows 7 Impressions
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Because 7 appears to be a pathetic MS marketing exercise to get all the Vista haters onboard. It contains nothing anyone on Vista is ever going to miss. If MS cannot put native X58 support in when its been out almost 2 months then they need to do so but I suspect like with Vista the hardware manufacturers are not playing ball as quite rightly they think why devote driver resource to another new OS when they are still playing catch up with Vista (Nvidia probably only did as they got the blame for Vista BSODs).
MS are only doing this public beta now as they know it will save them a lot of time & money later but usually as everyone knows anyway we all get to become public beta testers eventually
Yes it does work on a X58 mobo
well I got my mates gigabyte running ok..
Here is where I go for my intel drivers and they have X58 there
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20chipset.htm
Maybe you gave up to soon
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x64 Well so far its OKish. Every time I play a game, after quiting, I get a black screen, the only way out is ctrl+alt+del, then log off and log in again. Using 4870 and ATI 1.1 drivers from the website.
Had a problem with TV guide not downloading, fixed this by running mcupdate.exe as admin.
Cant install Daemon tools, game installs quite fiddly at times, having to run certain setup exe's with compatibility mode. More testing by me is required I think. I like the look and the changing backgrounds. It will be nice to grab a few images from Interfacelift and put some themes together.
Had a problem with TV guide not downloading, fixed this by running mcupdate.exe as admin.
Cant install Daemon tools, game installs quite fiddly at times, having to run certain setup exe's with compatibility mode. More testing by me is required I think. I like the look and the changing backgrounds. It will be nice to grab a few images from Interfacelift and put some themes together.
I have been using NV 185.20 vista 64bit drivers with my 8800GTX
running good as well.
The only problem I am having is with live messenger
every time I start it up a window opens and windows wants to config it.
Yes I have reported it.
loving it now.
running good as well.
The only problem I am having is with live messenger
every time I start it up a window opens and windows wants to config it.
Yes I have reported it.
loving it now.
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well after 64bit win 7 flatly refused to install without giving me a BSOD with an error message all the time. ( MULTIPROCESSOR_CONFIGURATION_NOT_SUPPORTED ). tried installing 32bit win 7 & it went on with no fuss or drama at all. just need to sort a couple of drivers atm & im good to go.
I'm currently installing the Windows 7 beta on my Elonex Webbook. The interesting thing about it is it has a VIA C7-M processor and a Via Unichrome CX700 integrated graphics chipset - if it runs on this, it'll run on anything!
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I wouldn't worry about that too much, it's a known problem with virtually every version of MSN Messenger / Windows Live Messenger.
I think you can fix it by downloading the setup, running it again (it'll say you already have it installed), restart the system, load WLM, and then you can delete the setup file.
That usually works for me.
OK, so far (build 7000, x64)... Chipset drivers (Biostar TPower I45) needed installing in Vista compatability mode but nothing else did. Seems rock solid stable so far (jinxed myself now!), and flies along compared to even Vista x64 Ultimate SP1 on the same hardware imho. Much snappier, smoother and nicer to 'play' with 
The only thing I hate so far, really, is how the IE icon turns into a taskbar button (what would you call that?) instead of a plain small icon. This is especially annoying when it's in the middle of other small icons, where the quick launch used to be. I do like the actual UI just not this method of grouping (and yes I turned off combining, but it doesn't stop IE loading "into" its launch icon instead of separately on the taskbar).
WLM is also annoying in the way it now has a taskbar button rather than a nice inobtrusive systray icon when minimised, but I'm not sure if that's a Win7 thing or a new WLM thing? I was running the beta on Vista and it didn't do that.
Anyway all audio, graphics (Nvidia from Windows Update), chipset and related drivers as well as my usual apps are installed and working fine. Not really had any conflicts or complaints. Even the Vista Shortcut Manager works
CCleaner can't manage to insert a "Run CCleaner now" entry to the recycle bin's context menu, nor does the registry cleaner component work properly. But than again it wasn't written for Win7, so no complaints here - just an observation
About the only major 'bug' I've come across so far concerns FTP. If you log into an FTP site using IE, Firefox, FTPRush or anything else it "just works". If you try to log into that same FTP site using Explorer (i.e. by entering the address into an Explorer location bar) it loads the site and asks for credentials, but then errors out
Yes, I've triple checked the user/pass were entered correctly, it just doesn't work.
Not bad for a Beta 1 though, I can't wait to see it progress.
The only thing I hate so far, really, is how the IE icon turns into a taskbar button (what would you call that?) instead of a plain small icon. This is especially annoying when it's in the middle of other small icons, where the quick launch used to be. I do like the actual UI just not this method of grouping (and yes I turned off combining, but it doesn't stop IE loading "into" its launch icon instead of separately on the taskbar).
WLM is also annoying in the way it now has a taskbar button rather than a nice inobtrusive systray icon when minimised, but I'm not sure if that's a Win7 thing or a new WLM thing? I was running the beta on Vista and it didn't do that.
Anyway all audio, graphics (Nvidia from Windows Update), chipset and related drivers as well as my usual apps are installed and working fine. Not really had any conflicts or complaints. Even the Vista Shortcut Manager works
CCleaner can't manage to insert a "Run CCleaner now" entry to the recycle bin's context menu, nor does the registry cleaner component work properly. But than again it wasn't written for Win7, so no complaints here - just an observation About the only major 'bug' I've come across so far concerns FTP. If you log into an FTP site using IE, Firefox, FTPRush or anything else it "just works". If you try to log into that same FTP site using Explorer (i.e. by entering the address into an Explorer location bar) it loads the site and asks for credentials, but then errors out
Yes, I've triple checked the user/pass were entered correctly, it just doesn't work. Not bad for a Beta 1 though, I can't wait to see it progress.
Someone said if you run Live Messenger in compatibility mode for Vista, you'll be able to close it to the notification area like Vista.
Also give the grouping feature a few days before you turn it off, you never know it might grow on you. You'll never know if you don't try.
Also give the grouping feature a few days before you turn it off, you never know it might grow on you. You'll never know if you don't try.
Indeed.Memory is there to be used and that's exactly what Windows Vista and Windows 7 is doing. Unfortunately though, I'm sure some misinformed people will complain that the memory usage in Windows 7 is as bad as it is in Windows Vista.
As Fire Wizard says, memory is there to be used and this is what Vista and Windows 7 do. They'll release the memory back to applications that require it but, when nothing else does, the OS may as well make use of it.I have to say I like it. Im running it on a Pentium D EE @ 3.2Ghz with 1Gb of RAM and it runs more like XP would. I have Vista on that machine as well and it crawls.
W7 is using 70% of my RAM though with only live messenger and IE running
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Hiya everyone,
Before I send some feedback to Microsoft, could someone just check on what I'm actually saying regarding the User Account Control settings and information regarding each setting is correct and I'm not just blabbering about nothing.
When you get to the page that allows you to change the way User Account Control notifies you and then click on the "Tell me more about User Account Control settings", Setting 2 - "Always notify me" and Setting 3 - "Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer", as well as this which is written under the "Setting" heading which is slightly misleading and not clear enough, some of the information in the "Description" and "Security Impact" boxes is wrong and I also feel that some other information needs to be added all round, just say it's clearer to understand.
The first "Setting" – "Always notify me and dim my desktop until I respond", followed by the "Description" and "Security Impact" headings, the information here seems to be absolutely fine. Though, I feel that the following part should be added to the "Description" box:
"You will be notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting".
In conclusion, I feel the information which needs to be included and the way it is laid out is similar to what is written below so it is straight forward to understand:
The second "Setting" - "Always notify me", I find isn't clear enough and partially wrong. If you have set User Account Control to this second option, you are only prompted when you go to install programs. When you wan't to change windows settings like for example, opening device manager or changing other user accounts that are on the system and the date and time will automatically be allowed and you won't see a prompt. So, the "Always notify me" isn't quite correct and surely it should say something along the lines off, "Only notify me when programs try to make changes to my computer and dim my desktop until I respond".
The other thing I have noticed is even though it says that you will only be prompted when changing windows settings, when you want to launch "Regedit" or a command prompt with administrator privileges, User Account Control seems to prompt you. I understand that the amount of damage that could be caused in the likes of "Regedit" and running a command prompt administrative rights is very high compared to say if you had free access to other user accounts on the system and date and time but device manager, surely this could be potentially just as damaging?
Moving onto the second box of "Description", it says, "You will be notified before programs make changes to your computer………….."
Which seems correct. However, the next part:
"or Windows settings that require the permissions of an administrator"
With the exception of launching "Regedit" and launching a command prompt with administrative privileges which probably has a reasonable explanation behind why you are still prompted, all other changes you try to make to windows doesn't result in the User Account Control prompting you yet the above quote seems to suggest otherwise.
The next part in the same "Heading" box says, "You need to either approve or deny the request in the UAC dialog box to continue with that task, but you can still do other things on your computer while the UAC dialog box is open. This setting is fairly secure."
Which is again, slightly wrong. When you are prompted using this particular User Account Control setting, it runs in the "Secure Desktop" which forces you to take action of that task before you can do anything else on your system. It also says, "This setting is fairly secure" which sounds about right for the description but as said, most of what is written in the "Description" box is wrong.
I feel that this "Description" box should say something along the lines off:
"You will be notified before programs make changes to your computer and also notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting. When you are notified, your desktop will be dimmed, and you must either approve or deny the request in the UAC dialog box before you can do anything else on your computer. You will not be notified if you try to make changes to Windows settings that require the permissions of an administrator."
Going onto the "Security Impact" part which says, "Because the UAC dialog box is not on the Secure Desktop with this setting, other programs might be able to interfere with the dialog's visual appearance. This is a small security risk if you already have a malicious program running on your computer."
The information here is also incorrect. As already been said, when you get prompted, you will be running in the "Secure Desktop" mode and the information should say something similar too, "This setting has a medium level of security. It is usually safe to allow changes to be made to Windows settings without you being notified. However, certain programs that come with Windows can have commands or data passed to them, and malicious software can take advantage of this by using these programs to install files or change settings on your computer."
In conclusion, I feel the information which needs to be included and the way it is laid out is similar to what is written below so it is straight forward to understand:
Moving onto the next available "Setting", "Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer" is fine. However, I think it should be expanded a bit more and say "Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer but do not dim my desktop", just so it is a bit clearer.
If we then have a look at the "Description" box which says, "You will be notified before programs make changes to your computer that require the permissions of an administrator. You will not be notified if you try to make changes to Windows settings that require the permissions of an administrator. You will be notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting.", which also seems fine.
All though, as already been said, where it says, "You will be notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting", should also be added to the very first and second option.
Then taking a look at the "Security Impact" box, where it says, "This setting has a medium level of security. It is usually safe to allow changes to be made to Windows settings without you being notified. However, certain programs that come with Windows can have commands or data passed to them, and malicious software can take advantage of this by using these programs to install files or change settings on your computer", which is slightly clashing with what is being said in the second avaible option. However, this "Setting" isn't as secure since you don't get the "Secure Desktop" mode.
I feel it should say the following:
"This setting is fairly secure because It is usually safe to allow changes to be made to Windows settings without you being notified. However, certain programs that come with Windows can have commands or data passed to them, and malicious software can take advantage of this by using these programs to install files or change settings on your computer but also, the UAC dialog box is not on the Secure Desktop and with this setting, other programs might be able to interfere with the dialog's visual appearence. This is a small security risk if you already have a malicious program running on your computer."
In conclusion, I feel the information which needs to be included and the way it is laid out is similar to what is written below so it is straight forward to understand:
Also, the last option, "Turn User Account Control off", the information in the "Description" and "Security Impact" seems to be absolutely fine.
All of the information were already in the boxes it was just some of it was muddled up.
One other thing I will point out is, if you are using the securest setting, when you would like to change a windows setting for example, the date and time or managing another user account, when the User Account Control dialog box appears, it says, "Do you want to allow the following program to make changes to this computer". If you then change the User Account Control setting to the default option, it says, "Notify me only when “programs” try to make changes to my computer". If you then go to change the date and time or manage another user account, then you obviously won't get a User Account Control prompt since it is a windows setting. However, when you do get a User Account Prompt pop up by using the securest setting, then it lists these windows settings as programs. Not a major problem but it just doesn’t seem very consistent to me.
This is what I am looking to send to Microsoft.
Unless I am reading this all wrong, something of the help information for User Account Control is slightly wrong. So, is this worth sending to Microsoft?
Before I send some feedback to Microsoft, could someone just check on what I'm actually saying regarding the User Account Control settings and information regarding each setting is correct and I'm not just blabbering about nothing.
When you get to the page that allows you to change the way User Account Control notifies you and then click on the "Tell me more about User Account Control settings", Setting 2 - "Always notify me" and Setting 3 - "Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer", as well as this which is written under the "Setting" heading which is slightly misleading and not clear enough, some of the information in the "Description" and "Security Impact" boxes is wrong and I also feel that some other information needs to be added all round, just say it's clearer to understand.
The first "Setting" – "Always notify me and dim my desktop until I respond", followed by the "Description" and "Security Impact" headings, the information here seems to be absolutely fine. Though, I feel that the following part should be added to the "Description" box:
"You will be notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting".
In conclusion, I feel the information which needs to be included and the way it is laid out is similar to what is written below so it is straight forward to understand:
The second "Setting" - "Always notify me", I find isn't clear enough and partially wrong. If you have set User Account Control to this second option, you are only prompted when you go to install programs. When you wan't to change windows settings like for example, opening device manager or changing other user accounts that are on the system and the date and time will automatically be allowed and you won't see a prompt. So, the "Always notify me" isn't quite correct and surely it should say something along the lines off, "Only notify me when programs try to make changes to my computer and dim my desktop until I respond".
The other thing I have noticed is even though it says that you will only be prompted when changing windows settings, when you want to launch "Regedit" or a command prompt with administrator privileges, User Account Control seems to prompt you. I understand that the amount of damage that could be caused in the likes of "Regedit" and running a command prompt administrative rights is very high compared to say if you had free access to other user accounts on the system and date and time but device manager, surely this could be potentially just as damaging?
Moving onto the second box of "Description", it says, "You will be notified before programs make changes to your computer………….."
Which seems correct. However, the next part:
"or Windows settings that require the permissions of an administrator"
With the exception of launching "Regedit" and launching a command prompt with administrative privileges which probably has a reasonable explanation behind why you are still prompted, all other changes you try to make to windows doesn't result in the User Account Control prompting you yet the above quote seems to suggest otherwise.
The next part in the same "Heading" box says, "You need to either approve or deny the request in the UAC dialog box to continue with that task, but you can still do other things on your computer while the UAC dialog box is open. This setting is fairly secure."
Which is again, slightly wrong. When you are prompted using this particular User Account Control setting, it runs in the "Secure Desktop" which forces you to take action of that task before you can do anything else on your system. It also says, "This setting is fairly secure" which sounds about right for the description but as said, most of what is written in the "Description" box is wrong.
I feel that this "Description" box should say something along the lines off:
"You will be notified before programs make changes to your computer and also notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting. When you are notified, your desktop will be dimmed, and you must either approve or deny the request in the UAC dialog box before you can do anything else on your computer. You will not be notified if you try to make changes to Windows settings that require the permissions of an administrator."
Going onto the "Security Impact" part which says, "Because the UAC dialog box is not on the Secure Desktop with this setting, other programs might be able to interfere with the dialog's visual appearance. This is a small security risk if you already have a malicious program running on your computer."
The information here is also incorrect. As already been said, when you get prompted, you will be running in the "Secure Desktop" mode and the information should say something similar too, "This setting has a medium level of security. It is usually safe to allow changes to be made to Windows settings without you being notified. However, certain programs that come with Windows can have commands or data passed to them, and malicious software can take advantage of this by using these programs to install files or change settings on your computer."
In conclusion, I feel the information which needs to be included and the way it is laid out is similar to what is written below so it is straight forward to understand:
Moving onto the next available "Setting", "Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer" is fine. However, I think it should be expanded a bit more and say "Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer but do not dim my desktop", just so it is a bit clearer.
If we then have a look at the "Description" box which says, "You will be notified before programs make changes to your computer that require the permissions of an administrator. You will not be notified if you try to make changes to Windows settings that require the permissions of an administrator. You will be notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting.", which also seems fine.
All though, as already been said, where it says, "You will be notified if a program outside of Windows tries to make changes to a Windows setting", should also be added to the very first and second option.
Then taking a look at the "Security Impact" box, where it says, "This setting has a medium level of security. It is usually safe to allow changes to be made to Windows settings without you being notified. However, certain programs that come with Windows can have commands or data passed to them, and malicious software can take advantage of this by using these programs to install files or change settings on your computer", which is slightly clashing with what is being said in the second avaible option. However, this "Setting" isn't as secure since you don't get the "Secure Desktop" mode.
I feel it should say the following:
"This setting is fairly secure because It is usually safe to allow changes to be made to Windows settings without you being notified. However, certain programs that come with Windows can have commands or data passed to them, and malicious software can take advantage of this by using these programs to install files or change settings on your computer but also, the UAC dialog box is not on the Secure Desktop and with this setting, other programs might be able to interfere with the dialog's visual appearence. This is a small security risk if you already have a malicious program running on your computer."
In conclusion, I feel the information which needs to be included and the way it is laid out is similar to what is written below so it is straight forward to understand:
Also, the last option, "Turn User Account Control off", the information in the "Description" and "Security Impact" seems to be absolutely fine.
All of the information were already in the boxes it was just some of it was muddled up.
One other thing I will point out is, if you are using the securest setting, when you would like to change a windows setting for example, the date and time or managing another user account, when the User Account Control dialog box appears, it says, "Do you want to allow the following program to make changes to this computer". If you then change the User Account Control setting to the default option, it says, "Notify me only when “programs” try to make changes to my computer". If you then go to change the date and time or manage another user account, then you obviously won't get a User Account Control prompt since it is a windows setting. However, when you do get a User Account Prompt pop up by using the securest setting, then it lists these windows settings as programs. Not a major problem but it just doesn’t seem very consistent to me.
This is what I am looking to send to Microsoft.
Unless I am reading this all wrong, something of the help information for User Account Control is slightly wrong. So, is this worth sending to Microsoft?
Just found out that you can get the original Vista-style quick launch panel back and remove that damned new SuperBar Yeah I didn't give it much time, but it was seriously annoying me! I feel better already. You can do it by following THIS easy guide.
Note that when you first add the quick launch it messes up your taskbar and has "Quick Launch" written on it lol The quick launch icons also have full sized icons and text describing the application it belongs to (eg "Mozilla Firefox"). You can right click the quick launch area and untick 'Show Text' and 'Show Title' options, and voila - it's normal again
Yeah I didn't give it much time, but it was seriously annoying me! I feel better already. You can do it by following THIS easy guide.Note that when you first add the quick launch it messes up your taskbar and has "Quick Launch" written on it lol The quick launch icons also have full sized icons and text describing the application it belongs to (eg "Mozilla Firefox"). You can right click the quick launch area and untick 'Show Text' and 'Show Title' options, and voila - it's normal again
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Really getting used to 7 now, trying hard not to customise everything back to how the previous version looks, which I've been doing since I upgraded my first PC from 3.11 to 95
I love the window docking so that I can have two windows easily take up half the screen each. As a programmer who often has Visual Studio and the MSDN libraries up all the time it's nice to split them easily. Aero shake seems a bit gimmicky though. I also like how Media Centre's libraries feed off of Windows' libraries, though MCE itself still looks to be lagging against the freeware competition.
Booting back into my main XP partition feels antiquated
I love the window docking so that I can have two windows easily take up half the screen each. As a programmer who often has Visual Studio and the MSDN libraries up all the time it's nice to split them easily. Aero shake seems a bit gimmicky though. I also like how Media Centre's libraries feed off of Windows' libraries, though MCE itself still looks to be lagging against the freeware competition.
Booting back into my main XP partition feels antiquated