Windows 7 SP1 RTM

CaptainCrash said:
I think the point he was making is that there's no hurry to install SP1 *before the official release*, as there's no immediate advantage either from a security or functionality viewpoint in doing so, assuming you're already running a fully patched and updated system via Windows Update. He wasn't saying "don't install SP1, ever", which is what some people seem to be suggesting.

He was also suggesting that some sources for the leaked RTM might not be entirely trustworthy, which seems like good advice to me.
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Ah good point, which only becomes apparent when reading the entire article as it's the last paragraph that puts that in to perspective.

The quote threw me off.
 
Lucero said:
I disagree. It was clearly documented in the RC1 whitepapers that that (RC1) and RTM would just be the updates already available to an upto date system and some virtualization additions / improvements of which, the 3 specific to windows 7 which were HDMI, Printing and 3rd party comm federation, were resolved through WU in June last year.
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"Disagree" all you want :) Just telling you the facts. Take it or leave it.
 
iDroid84 said:
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Congratulations, you reinforced exactly what I was saying. 3 specific enhancements to windows 7 all of which have been available through WU since June 2010.

So people saying if you're up to date on Windows Update then you don't really need SP1 are just plain wrong.
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Eh? That's pretty much exactly what that quote is saying, it says:

...includes all previously released updates for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. Many of these updates are available to the public on the Microsoft Download Center and Windows Update....
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That is all the stuff you and I (joe bloggs, end home user) would ever see through WU. If you have those installed, installing SP1 is going to make little difference here.

...while others are only available to specific customers or partners. It is standard practice to include all of these updates in a Service Pack and as such they are included in Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1.
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And all of these wouldn't be applied because SP1 would detect that you weren't a partner or specific customer and would therefore skip them or apply only to WS2008 R2.

When I was testing this explicitly for Windows Server 2008 R2, we were told by Microsoft themselves that we would see no benefit to a fully patched system (important and optional updates).
 
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Lucero said:
And all of these wouldn't be applied because SP1 would detect that you weren't a partner or specific customer and would therefore skip them or apply only to WS2008 R2.

When I was testing this explicitly for Windows Server 2008 R2, we were told by Microsoft themselves that we would see no benefit to a fully patched system (important and optional updates).
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The service pack will detect nothing, every system will be updated to the same state, there isn't even a way for the service pack to detect if a system belongs to a partner or specific customer, seriously believe what you wish, SP 1 will include all released and unreleased to the public updates, this has been how service packs have always worked and will continue to work.
 
Broken Hope said:
The service pack will detect nothing, every system will be updated to the same state, there isn't even a way for the service pack to detect if a system belongs to a partner or specific customer, seriously believe what you wish, SP 1 will include all released and unreleased to the public updates, this has been how service packs have always worked and will continue to work.
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I can already proove this as incorrect. MS Partner OEM discs receive a different final version to standard retail installs
 
Lucero said:
And all of these wouldn't be applied because SP1 would detect that you weren't a partner or specific customer and would therefore skip them or apply only to WS2008 R2.
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This is not true. Whilst certainly not all "private patches" make their way into a Service Pack. A large proportion ultimately do, in some form. That's why Service Pack's take so long to release because they contains lots of subtle bug fixes and/or behavioural changes that require extensive testing.

If a Service Pack was merely a collection of "already released WU patches" then the majority of testing would already have been done and SP1 would have been released ages ago.
 
Lucero said:
I can already proove this as incorrect. MS Partner OEM discs receive a different final version to standard retail installs
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Yes they do but the differences are purely in licensing. E.g. in the past you would need a matching disc media and CD key in order to activate. Such as MSDN disc/ISO + MSDN CD key, or Action Pack disc/ISO + Action Pack CD key... etc. Some of these have been relaxed in recent years.

In terms of difference between what is contained in a Service Pack? Nada. Zero. Zilch. Never was. Never will be.
 
iDroid84 said:
Hotfixes and Security Updates included in Windows 7 and Windows 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 Release Candidate
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ea-83fe-46e9-96d8-027ae59ddc11&displaylang=en

Check the above xls document and look at how many hot fixes there is. ;)
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Yes, all of which have been available through Windows Update since before the dawn of time as Optional or Important.

That wouldn't be the first mistake that MS Indian Hotline has made.
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;), unfortunately, on this occassion, I was sat with a MS Server 2008 Solutions Architect who worked on the Sp1 rollup at a demo at TVP.

I'm not saying you shouldn't install it, rather, I see little or no need on a completely patched install. However, when I come to re-install, it will be the first thing I chuck on once sat at the desktop if I don't slipstream or download the full version inc SP1 from MSDN
 
iDroid84 said:
Hotfixes and Security Updates included in Windows 7 and Windows 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 Release Candidate
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ea-83fe-46e9-96d8-027ae59ddc11&displaylang=en

Check the above xls document and look at how many hot fixes there is. ;)
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i had a quick scan though that yesterday, i couldnt see any update newer than september 2010.

OK OK anyone who wants to install it do it. If they don't then don't.
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already have done. not really any different tbh.
 
Quick request, can someone send me their Win7 Pro x64 explorer.exe or at least confirm their SHA1 hash for explorer.exe from \windows please?

Mine is: 0F841176602288EE1BE832573265F88CA78F4BA7

I attempted to restore my custom Windows orb and the orb changer must not support SP1 yet so when applying it deleted explorer.exe - Thankfully I had a backup of explorer.exe from Feb 2010 so I copypasta that and everything is all well again but I'd rather have the latest build :p

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NM, restored via Previous Versions.
 
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