Windows 8 Adoption Poor

deuse · 10 May 2013 at 20:47

KIA said:
No, it hasn't.

Malware with user privileges is much easier to remove than a root kit with system privileges.

I said scripts

MS are still trying to fix the elevation of privilege vulnerability in Windows Defender for Windows 8 and Windows RT.
MS13-021 to MS13-26 I think. They are still finding them.

Same happened in windows 7 as well.

KIA · 10 May 2013 at 22:12

deuse said:
MS are still trying to fix the elevation of privilege vulnerability in Windows Defender for Windows 8 and Windows RT.
MS13-021 to MS13-26 I think. They are still finding them.

MS13-034 was published yesterday...

The others are random and have been fixed.

Johnnytoxic · 10 May 2013 at 22:47

deuse said:
To completely disable UAC you have to change the values in the registry it's another bug in win 8.

You could try this .. type secpol.msc in the search then Double click on Local Policies then double click on Security Options
then find "User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin approval mode."
Set it to disabled press OK then reboot. This should work in win 8.

I'm sure doing it this way gives you full UAC off but then Metro apps don't work?

To those who can't understand why it's a problem probably don't do much more than open Internet Explorer.

It's a pain in the rear to keep taking ownership of folders within Program Files and constantly getting nagged for copying / editing files.

theheyes · 11 May 2013 at 09:34

It's no different than any other sane operating system.

nightmare99 · 11 May 2013 at 09:36

I'm sure doing it this way gives you full UAC off but then Metro apps don't work?

you do not want to completely turn off UAC, no way.

theheyes · 11 May 2013 at 09:46

Some people do, especially if a particular set of circumstances is annoying the bejeezus out of you. I do it when building images sometimes, but I switch it back on when I'm done.

linktoinsanity · 11 May 2013 at 21:11

Glaucus said:
The worst thing about vista was the driver situation, it wasn't a bad os. However few people could get it working properly due to no driver support.

Where am I forcing it down your throat?
You don't have to upgrade and I've said plenty of times give it a try and if you still don't like it, install starts back. It's not like they stop you installing 3rd part mods.

It would be a bad move for MS to bring it back. For the simple reason that people would not even try. The move needs to happen as desktop market is scaling back and we will not see consecutive growth for well a long time. That's not to say its dead, as they are still need in many situations. Just that mobile computing replaces a desktop for a lot of people.

Where did I say "you force it down my throat" in that post?

It would not be a bad move for them to bring it back, and many of us have tried it and still don't like it.

Glaucus · 11 May 2013 at 21:14

like, not try to force some new way of doing things down the throats of all customers whether they like it (which Glaucus, kitch9 and gareth obviously do, fair enough) or not

And no it would not be good for Ms long term to bring it back, short term pain, for long term gain.
They are not the big players any more. They do not have the market share. They had to chnage direction and the path they have started from is good and even better if you look at what they are trying to do and have acheived a lot in one step.

What's annoying is half the moaning could have been avoided by including a decent tutorial in the early betas. That is when half the fud got going, by people who just didnt know how to use it and didnt bother looking, dispite it being a beta.
Then didnt help the tutorial they put in the final release was almost totally useless.
The amount of people who don't realise you can right click in bottom left hand corner and add custome stuff to the list. Or the number of people who don't realise charms bar is specific to the app. A common integrated menu system is fantastic. You don't need to learn lots of different ones, want settings opn charms and click settings, same for every single app.

linktoinsanity · 12 May 2013 at 01:47

like, not try to force some new way of doing things down the throats of all customers whether they like it (which Glaucus, kitch9 and gareth obviously do, fair enough) or not

/sigh

I'll rephrase so you can understand it then shall I?

The sentence means (and we'll add that Microsoft bit back in too shall we as anyone now reading that quote will now read it out of context) that Microsoft should not be forcing new ways of doing things down our throats whether some of us like these new ways (ie you, kitch9 and Gareth), yes that's listing you as three people who like the new method, not as three people forcing it down our throats, or those of us who do not.

Now, got that?

I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post as the way you took that sentence out of context angered me enough. Others have said in this thread you like to twist words, (which I didn't really see any proof of,) was this a simple misunderstanding on your part or did you start playing twister?

EDIT: Read the rest now and you have a fair point about tutorials and I do like the right click menu on the bottom left of the screen, but still don't like the START Screen.

Glaucus · 12 May 2013 at 07:26

Fair enough I miss read it.

Elevon · 12 May 2013 at 12:15

linktoinsanity said:
/sigh
but still don't like the START Screen.

I'm sort of neutral on the Start Screen I can definitely say it can be improved with Blue/8.1 ,9,10 etc.....however I use it when I need to like any tool and it does not really bother me,I hope Microsoft keep coming up with new ideas etc and try to improve on them etc rather then doing u turns.

I can understand some people not liking a certain OS or two for example Win8,just like I don't like some of the Linux Distro's but like others ,however I still think Linux is great and it does not mean the ones I don't like are bad or are no good.

Some of the changes in Win8 a few users find hard to adjust too, we all know what they are but like any OS nothing stays the same forever.
I just hope Microsoft move forward rather then backwards and keep new ideas coming.

V F · 12 May 2013 at 12:34

Glaucus said:
What's annoying is half the moaning could have been avoided by including a decent tutorial in the early betas. That is when half the fud got going, by people who just didnt know how to use it and didnt bother looking, dispite it being a beta.
Then didnt help the tutorial they put in the final release was almost totally useless.
The amount of people who don't realise you can right click in bottom left hand corner and add custome stuff to the list. Or the number of people who don't realise charms bar is specific to the app. A common integrated menu system is fantastic. You don't need to learn lots of different ones, want settings opn charms and click settings, same for every single app.

The amount of people that are online now and always googling, it's a hard thing to find?

theheyes · 12 May 2013 at 13:05

But should the average user need external resources to figure out the basic concepts?

The people who will think to poke around Google searches for a few minutes to answer their questions aren't the people who need guidance.

The fact is for a lot of people the initial impression of Windows 8 is a sense of bafflement, and that's what needs addressing in 8.1.

Glaucus · 12 May 2013 at 19:30

V F said:
The amount of people that are online now and always googling, it's a hard thing to find?

It's kind of hard to find as if you google search terms you get a thousand people complaining and generally not knowing how to use it themself to a handful of good impartial advice videos.

But you shouldn't need to figure it out or google, it should be there. When windows installed I don't need to be showen how to access charm bar 30times, why not use that time for a full video/tutorial.
Humans are humans and most people will make up their mind in minutes, so making them google its to late.

Sal0hcine · 12 May 2013 at 21:47

Elevon said:
I'm sort of neutral on the Start Screen I can definitely say it can be improved with Blue/8.1 ,9,10 etc.....however I use it when I need to like any tool and it does not really bother me,I hope Microsoft keep coming up with new ideas etc and try to improve on them etc rather then doing u turns.

I can understand some people not liking a certain OS or two for example Win8,just like I don't like some of the Linux Distro's but like others ,however I still think Linux is great and it does not mean the ones I don't like are bad or are no good.

Some of the changes in Win8 a few users find hard to adjust too, we all know what they are but like any OS nothing stays the same forever.
I just hope Microsoft move forward rather then backwards and keep new ideas coming.

I agree, I don't dislike the start screen and it is growing on me however I do spend all my time in desktop mode and barely touch anything metro apart from the start screen.

I do however think there is room for improvement with 8.1 and 9 but so long as MS keep trying to think of how to improve the experience I imagine they will hit the jackpot shortly.

theheyes · 12 May 2013 at 22:25

Putting a Start button in the task bar is going to make a big difference I think, and they should bundle in a short tutorial while they're at it.

Make it a Metro app for crying out loud.

mmj_uk · 12 May 2013 at 22:32

theheyes said:
Putting a Start button in the task bar is going to make a big difference I think, and they should bundle in a short tutorial while they're at it.

I don't think so it shows that MS still don't have a clue, the lack of start button isn't a problem it's having to switch back and forth between two completely incoherent interfaces that is.

VaderDSL · 12 May 2013 at 22:39

TBH I'm kinda indifferent to W8, I don't use the Start Page bar having a couple of programs pinned there.

But I will be honest, I still have no idea what the charms bar does, haven't used it at all yet.

Win+q tends to be all I use.

theheyes · 12 May 2013 at 22:49

mmj_uk said:
I don't think so it shows that MS still don't have a clue, the lack of start button isn't a problem it's having to switch back and forth between two completely incoherent interfaces that is.

Switching back and forth between desktop and metro is a problem for a few, the lack of a Start button or equivalent guide is a problem for almost every new user. That small tweak is going to make a big difference on computers that lack an obvious physical button i.e. most desktops and laptops (the Windows key on the keyboard doesn't count)

james.miller · 13 May 2013 at 05:52

Of course it counts, why wouldnt it?