Windows 8 relieved (video)

Dewotter · 2 Jun 2011 at 20:35

Haha, just saw your edit Bunny after you realised he does know what he's talking about.

JimAroo · 2 Jun 2011 at 20:41

RKO said:
Some will say a gamers edition is such a small market it isn't worth worrying about.

I understand what you are saying, but just take a look at Windows Vista / 7 features.

Gamers / Enthusiasts are somewhat forced to upgrade, for the new eye candy such as new builds of DirectX, and to get the support for the new hardware, such as Trim support for SSDs. On the other hand, the average PC user would still be happy using older versions of windows, as they have no reason to upgrade. Even plenty of businesses, for example colleges and schools are still using windows XP.

All in all, I think they are pushing out their products to the wrong people, maybe they are too busy trying to complete with Mac.. who knows.

cubepusher · 2 Jun 2011 at 21:22

Six6siX · 2 Jun 2011 at 21:30

cubepusher said:
While you're at it ask me if I'm the only person who will be using this PC so I can forgo crap like UAC permissions and data execution prevention.

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gettothechopper · 2 Jun 2011 at 21:37

for those who think touch screen is useless on a desktop - I use touchscreen laptops at work everyday and the combination of touchscreen and full keyboard is really quite darn quick and useful

ToxicTBag · 2 Jun 2011 at 21:46

Looking forward to this

NathanE · 2 Jun 2011 at 21:57

cubepusher said:
crap like UAC permissions and data execution prevention.

Oh my. I've heard that UAC is unpopular in some quarters. But this is the first time DEP has been targeted

Macro · 2 Jun 2011 at 22:06

All that was demo'd was the touch optimised UI designed for slates, tablets and other touch screen devices with a quick flash of what looked like a slightly updated "traditional" UI.

Yes the Metro look UI seems to work with a mouse and keyboard as well as touch, but if your sole choice of OS is based on how pretty the UI looks then this is a wasted discussion. May as well install Rainmeter and the Omnio Skin on W7 (which actually looks fairly similar, is preety good and has been around for 6 months or more

).

Baring support for ARM and cues around HTML5/Javascript for dev into the new touch UI there was practically nothing mentioned about any other change to Windows 8 whatso ever. It'd be like having looked at the Windows 7 UI a year before it was released and saying "Jeeze that crap looks just like Vista, they've done nothing but change the start button and wallpaper, i'll pass".

Although the UI look and feel is interesting it's not really the reason to upgrade a UI, hopefully you spend most of your time in Apps, not the OS UI. For me, at least the value will be the improvements under the covers, much like the step from XP to Vista to W7. Once you get past the UI changes (and remember, people hated the XP luna UI when it was first announced calling it "fisher price computing") it's speed, stability, security, support, dev API stuff that's the real deal.

I like the Metro interface for WP7 and I think it could work really well on the desktop. It's not a huge step from the W7 Media Centre UI which supports touch and keyboard/mouse with no problems in terms of being big and for me the Media Centre UI is really nicely done although often forgotten about.. The new UI will work well for touch, but, for a desktop or gaming PC it's the "other stuff" that will be interesting.

BunnyKillBot · 2 Jun 2011 at 22:22

RKO said:
Haha, just saw your edit Bunny after you realised he does know what he's talking about.

What? I changed a grammatically poor sentence that did not flow to something that made more sense. The actual content conveys the exact same meaning. I also thought calling him an amateur was too insulting/harsh. Questioning somebodies experience fixing systems and calling them amateur became doubting their competence as a a system engineer.

NathanE · 2 Jun 2011 at 22:38

BunnyKillBot said:
What? I changed a grammatically poor sentence that did not flow to something that made more sense. The actual content conveys the exact same meaning. I also thought calling him an amateur was too insulting/harsh. Questioning somebodies experience fixing systems and calling them amateur became doubting their competence as a a system engineer.

What on earth are you on about? This has nothing to do with "fixing systems" or "system engineers" (which you are blatantly not anything of the sort). It's about the fact that Vista is a perfectly fine OS. Its problem is that it was ahead of its time. Hardware of its day was not up to the job of doing it full justice. THIS is why a laptop pre-installed with Vista on it has a high probability of being a bit crap. Shortly after Vista's release the I/O bandwidth of 2.5" HDDs had a bit of a burst (due to perpendicular platter technology). W7 undoubtedly benefited from this in terms of public perception. Along with the various service packs (especially SP2, which brought the kernel in line with Server 2008's), it ended up being an OS not far off the performance of W7. I still use it on my main development workstation, the original install even from Feb 2007. As I said, its a great OS and I've no plans on upgrading until W8.

Margaret · 2 Jun 2011 at 22:39

NathanE said:
LOL no it isn't? Vista is a fine OS. Sure it wasn't perfect, but neither is W7.

Windows 7, apart from some Explorer tweaks and a new taskbar, essentially is identical to Vista.

+1

Number_25 · 2 Jun 2011 at 22:53

I'm going to stick with 7 for the meanwhile!

BigAndy87 · 2 Jun 2011 at 23:03

Looks interesting looking forward to more videos

VeNT · 2 Jun 2011 at 23:24

whats more interesting is that MS are moving to a more often release schedule like apple
expect new windows every 2-2.5 years I'd say now.

Dewotter · 3 Jun 2011 at 00:04

BunnyKillBot said:
I also thought calling him an amateur was too insulting/harsh. Questioning somebodies experience fixing systems and calling them amateur became doubting their competence as a a system engineer.

Which is what I was referring to - you realised he is no amateur.

I had Vista on a Core 2 Duo 2.26Ghz with 3GB RAM. I kinda miss it now, was solid for me at all times.

Murray · 3 Jun 2011 at 00:34

If it looks anything like that when released I think I am going to stick with Windows 7 thanks.

MrElve · 3 Jun 2011 at 00:36

After just seeing the video on the BBC news website ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13627037 ) It just makes me feel like the windows 8 operating system is just one of the many apps on an even larger operating system. It looks like a cross between an xbox and the windows phone, it's awful. I'll be sticking with windows 7.

McPhee · 3 Jun 2011 at 00:52

VeNT said:
whats more interesting is that MS are moving to a more often release schedule like apple
expect new windows every 2-2.5 years I'd say now.

They're aiming for every 3 years, it was mentioned in the D9 conference.

vintage-x · 3 Jun 2011 at 01:25

VeNT said:
whats more interesting is that MS are moving to a more often release schedule like apple
expect new windows every 2-2.5 years I'd say now.

the only reason there was such a long time between Vista and XP was the fact that halfway through doing Vista or longhorn as it was known then they decided to pretty much scrap everything and start all over again.

As a few people have pointed out what was shown is only one part of the OS. Everyone else is saying the whole OS is going to be bloated but look at the fact that its running on low speed ARM processors just imagine how fast its going to run on a mid to top of the range gaming system.

I read a few months ago on winsupersite that Microsoft were aiming to design the OS so its more (cant think of the word) basically you would tailor make the whole OS to suit your needs. If you don't need media centre and all this new UI then you can choose at install not to have it.

I'm looking forward to it. It will provide me a great UI and user experience on my laptop/tablet and hopefully provide me with a powerful secure OS for my main PC.

Lets wait and see before we start to slam it. Yes we all have our opinions and I can see why people don't like the whole tiles thing but it doesn't reflect the whole OS and is only one part of it

Psymonkee · 3 Jun 2011 at 01:32

I like what I see so far and can see some pretty cool potential with regard to things like home automation perhaps?

Touch screen in every room with options to control lighting/heating/music etc and maybe a panel in the kitchen for recipes and cooking?

Yeah I know I'm going waaaay into 'the future' but this is how it starts, I'm sure of it!