Winter 2022/23 - It's too cold :(

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Three of the four kids from yesterday's lak tragedy have died. :(

just read that, horrible at any time of the year but just a couple of weeks away from Christmas just makes it all the more sad, if that's even possible.
 
Bloody freezing here, it's currently -7.4 degrees C and that's "warmed up" from the -9.2 degrees C it was at 09.30 this morning. The six inches of snow we have had has frozen solid and is bad enough to walk on let alone drive on.
 
If you haven't reached the minimum speed for a given gear then you have to keep slipping the clutch until you do, if you you have an auto then the clutchpack or torque convertor has to slip instead. Starting in 2nd/3rd actually make that worse as you now have to slip the clutch (or spin the wheels) until you're doing 8-12 MPH. The point is in an ICE car, *something* has to be slipping at very low speeds. It's either the wheels, or the clutch. That's a problem when you can't pull away very quickly. Often 2nd is the best option to reduce maximum wheel torque, but it's not a free lunch.

An EV basically doesn't have any of that to deal with. Doesn't mean it's impossible in an ICE car, but it's why it's somewhat easier to manage in an EV. Thats also before you get into being able to pulse an eletric motor to further manage wheel traction in a way that isn't possible in an ICE because of rotational inertia of the engine/flywheel/etc.

Haha what? I have never slipped a clutch or wheels in a Petrol car when needed to drive in a higher gear. If you have got enough Torque in your motor you can even start in dry in second gear. All it does it makes it easy to modulate the throttle to prevent wheel spin.

You cannot do this in an EV because it is single geared. I do the same in my Lorry. They are automatically operated manual gearboxes. Instead of starting off in 4th I will do 6th 7th or 8th. No wheel spin and no clutch slippage. The torque takes care of it.

Yes clutches slip as they are designed to do that as a matter of how they function so not really sure what you are trying to say?
 
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What's amusing is it's meant to get to above 10oC by next Monday for me and it was -7 this morning... WTF weather :cry:
 
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Haha what? I have never slipped a clutch or wheels in a Petrol car when needed to drive in a higher gear. If you have got enough Torque in your motor you can even start in dry in second gear. All it does it makes it easy to modulate the throttle to prevent wheel spin.

You cannot do this in an EV because it is single geared. I do the same in my Lorry. They are automatically operated manual gearboxes. Instead of starting off in 4th I will do 6th 7th or 8th. No wheel spin and no clutch slippage. The torque takes care of it.

Yes clutches slip as they are designed to do that as a matter of how they function so not really sure what you are trying to say?

Clutches are not designed to slip, they keep spinning when disengaged. Riding the clutch is different from clutch slip.

The only way you’re pulling away from a stand still in second gear is by riding the clutch otherwise either the wheels need to spin, the clutch needs to slip or the engine will stall.
 
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Well I challenge any driver on here to drive my summer-tyred mx5 on icy roads without getting brown trousers. There's no weight over the back wheels and even a very small throttle input makes the back of the car try overtaking the front.
 
Its above freezing here aka warm and no snow.
You tend to get it in hampshire and further east we get none, this time for a change the opposite is true, the weather last night said the first significant prolonged cold spell in 5 years and thats how long its been since I last saw any snowfall. Theres still snow and ice from yesterday though its mostly gone theres been a very slow thaw all day and night. Yesterday afternoon the hill I drove over only an hour or so before someone said it took them over an hour to do what would normally take five minutes and a road to a tourist spot had a six car pileup and someone had to be cut from their vehicle picture in the paper showed several cars ended up in the middle of a field. Speed, it has to be road has been icy all week but no people drive at speed in heavy snow over an icy road and this is the result. Mind you I can't complain that road is where i had my only serious accident in similar condition went off into a field and rolled over a couple times because black ice. Yes I was being an idiot.
 
Clutches are not designed to slip, they keep spinning when disengaged. Riding the clutch is different from clutch slip.

The only way you’re pulling away from a stand still in second gear is by riding the clutch otherwise either the wheels need to spin, the clutch needs to slip or the engine will stall.

Clutches do slip that's what a clutch pedal is for you to modulate that till you get a decent contact and matched revs to pull away. Otherwise you stall the car if a clutch instantly grabs the flywheel and clutches do not spin when disengaged if the car is stationary. Where do you get this nonsense from? If you are in 1st gear in a car with the clutch down the clutch is attached to the gearbox lay shaft it cannot spin. As you release the clutch it comes into contact with the spinning flywheel. combining both together to get the car moving.

Pulling away in 1st or 2nd gear is no different if you have a powerful engine. You put more strain on the engine that is it.
 
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So on my comment on the EV a couple of the points have been addressed already. I have an Ioniq Electric and I just pop it into drive and it slowly crawls forward without touching the accelerator - same thing with reverse. So far this has prevented any wheel slippage at all. Another key point is the automatic engine braking, high level of regeneration and you can simply come off the accelerator and let it slow without needing to touch the brakes.

The point about remote defrosting is utterly brilliant - press a button in an app and the cars fully defrosted before I step out the door.
 
So on my comment on the EV a couple of the points have been addressed already. I have an Ioniq Electric and I just pop it into drive and it slowly crawls forward without touching the accelerator - same thing with reverse. So far this has prevented any wheel slippage at all. Another key point is the automatic engine braking, high level of regeneration and you can simply come off the accelerator and let it slow without needing to touch the brakes.

The point about remote defrosting is utterly brilliant - press a button in an app and the cars fully defrosted before I step out the door.
However, stick the heating on and your range is impacted significantly.
 
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