Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

Who will rule Westeros?

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My guess will be ...

dissent at what she's done, won't end well for whomever - probably Tyrion.
Word comes in from Winterfell/Old Town/Wherever does not recognise her. She goes in for a penny in for a pound burn em all and Jon stops it by killing her.

Jons refuses the crown, someone left field gets it. Jon heads up north, the real north. Final shot Jon meeting Ghost and heading off into the snow. (hence them not going to the expense of having a proper goodbye in ep4)
 
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Patch notes for Episode 5:

The Scorpion seemed a little bit too overpowered in terms of accuracy in Episode 4 so we've increased the spread and turned down accuracy rolls to make it more fair vs Dragons

Patch notes for Episode 6:

We overdid the spread for the Scorpion making it too easy for Dragons to eliminate them without taking damage so we've decided to tweak it some more

D&D really really suck at subverting their audiences, literally everything in season 8 has been about subversion and they've written that subversion in the most obvious, lazy and horrendous ways possible
 
Washout said:
My guess will be ...

dissent at what she's done, won't end well for whomever - probably Tyrion.
Word comes in from Winterfell/Old Town/Wherever does not recognise her. She goes in for a penny in for a pound burn em all and Jon stops it by killing her.

Jons refuses the crown, someone left field gets it. Jon heads up north, the real north. Final shot Jon meeting Ghost and heading off into the snow. (hence them not going to the expense of having a proper goodbye in ep4)
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Probably no need for spoilers tags and it's personal speculation as I never seen any leaks online or read the books:

It's safe to say that Arya has just added a new name to her list, I'm not sure whether war between North and Danny is assumed from this point onward with no friendly personal chats on the horizon. As things stand she has the Dothraki, Unsullied and a dragon that's now very powerful all of a sudden. North just has their men with Wildlings gone back to Scotland so open war doesn't look good for them, but I don't see the Dragon Queen surviving this one, either way think she'll die form a Stark hand.

As above, Jon doesn't want the throne so maybe that's where we see Gendry take it as he's strangely been missing from this episode unless I missed him. I just hope Tyrion doesn't die for the sake of Bronn :p
 
I all to often find tv shows and films frustrating when it comes to basic strategy and tactics employed.


For example we have already been shown that the Scopions can apparently be quite effective when they catch a dragon (and or it's rider) by surprise according to Got....

so if the Scopions deployed at Kings landing were primarily for anti dragon detail why were they not deployed for some more defence in depth rather than just simply placed clearly visible in nice lines atop walls?

Yes I get they would be quite useful there, if not torched, to defend the city but a few Scopions placed about the city, perhaps on a roof or two with a bit of camouflage on or around them, would have been a real issue for Drogon and Danerys.
 
the main problem for me this season is the lack of "cleverness" to anything, everything is just what you see on screen with no interesting or clever twists or surprises that add depth or revelations

Jamie is off to kings landing in a sudden change of character - he must have a secret plan to kill cersai - NOPE
Tyrian will be clever and come up with something - NOPE
John Snow will heroically stop the soldiers massacring everyone or something - NOPE
Daenerys will have some special dragon armour or some crazy tactic to get the scorpians / ships - NOPE

Daenerys is suffering from the Anakin Skywalker affect, we can all see its not a stretch for him to turn to the dark side, but its the story telling being poor that he just goes from saving Palps to mass child murder in 1 second thats a disappointment
she just did the same thing, even if she had just gone for the red keep ignoring the possible civilian deaths in the keep, it would have made some sense, but mass murdering everyone in the streets and destroying the whole city?
The interesting part in a story is always the HOW

The logic gaps are getting nuts, she has a huge army again from where? no one noticed JL disappeared from the unsullied camp?

anyway i dont like nitpicking, and have enjoyed lots of bits this season, but overall its a mess
 
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Wonder if Tormund will find Brienne now and say "see...fat lot of use that fancy blond guy was to you, just banged you for one night and then scampered off to his ex to die"
 
This final season has been so poorly written, it's really sad to see a great show turn into this. I find it hard to believe that Dany would commit genocide because of the deaths of Jorah, Missandei and Rhaegal, and even if that was the trigger, they haven't laid sufficient groundwork to make her transformation into mad queen believable. A critic compared it to how well Breaking Bad showed Walter White's transformation from meek and timid chemistry teacher to drug kingpin/crime lord, and how that show mixed small and big events to plot that development. There has been little indication up to this point that Dany would indiscriminately burn women and children. Had they shown her massacring Cersei's troops and then burning Cersei alive I could have accepted that, but not what they did.

Also, what was the point of the ballistas? They went from a seemingly very big threat to Drogon, to being obliterated without landing a shot. They should have just left them out completely and had Rhaegal get killed by undead Viserion in episode 3. They should have had this battle earlier in the season, because it felt so rushed and anticlimactic, particularly after the battle for Winterfell took up most of episode 3 (even though that had some problems of its own).

I think D&D are ruining a lot of the character arcs that have been so well plotted and developed over the series. Jaime got his redemption and seemed happy last episode, then suddenly he's back off to die with Cersei. Cersei herself has been reduced from one of the best characters in the show to someone who sits in a tower staring out of the windows while drinking wine. I basically just want GoT to end now, it's soured what was one of my favourite shows ever.
 
nicktay2605 said:
This final season has been so poorly written, it's really sad to see a great show turn into this. I find it hard to believe that Dany would commit genocide because of the deaths of Jorah, Missandei and Rhaegal, and even if that was the trigger, they haven't laid sufficient groundwork to make her transformation into mad queen believable. A critic compared it to how well Breaking Bad showed Walter White's transformation from meek and timid chemistry teacher to drug kingpin/crime lord, and how that show mixed small and big events to plot that development. There has been little indication up to this point that Dany would indiscriminately burn women and children. Had they shown her massacring Cersei's troops and then burning Cersei alive I could have accepted that, but not what they did.
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No doubt people will point to the Tarly executions as "fOrEsHaDoWiNg" but could you imagine Tywin allowing one of the greatest military commanders the world has ever seen to live if it was obvious he'd never serve you? Maybe he'd have kept them as bargaining chips but when you were in her position of power in Season 7 there was no need for them.
 
nicktay2605 said:
This final season has been so poorly written, it's really sad to see a great show turn into this. I find it hard to believe that Dany would commit genocide because of the deaths of Jorah, Missandei and Rhaegal, and even if that was the trigger, they haven't laid sufficient groundwork to make her transformation into mad queen believable. A critic compared it to how well Breaking Bad showed Walter White's transformation from meek and timid chemistry teacher to drug kingpin/crime lord, and how that show mixed small and big events to plot that development. There has been little indication up to this point that Dany would indiscriminately burn women and children. Had they shown her massacring Cersei's troops and then burning Cersei alive I could have accepted that, but not what they did.

Also, what was the point of the ballistas? They went from a seemingly very big threat to Drogon, to being obliterated without landing a shot. They should have just left them out completely and had Rhaegal get killed by undead Viserion in episode 3. They should have had this battle earlier in the season, because it felt so rushed and anticlimactic, particularly after the battle for Winterfell took up most of episode 3 (even though that had some problems of its own).

I think D&D are ruining a lot of the character arcs that have been so well plotted and developed over the series. Jaime got his redemption and seemed happy last episode, then suddenly he's back off to die with Cersei. Cersei herself has been reduced from one of the best characters in the show to someone who sits in a tower staring out of the windows while drinking wine. I basically just want GoT to end now, it's soured what was one of my favourite shows ever.
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Cersei’s arc ended about as much as I’d expected it to, it’s the least damaged honestly considering the terrible writing she had to deal with.
 
I can't personally believe they left out that deleted scene that will obviously leak in a few days. The scene where before the attack Dany installs an anti radar device on Drogon and another scene where one of the scorpions tracking computers fails when the radar jammer comes into range, which is why the radar tracked homing scorpions were so effective last week but utterly useless this week.

10-15 ships with scorpions were deadly last week, this week what hundreds of them were utterly ineffective?

some cool things to see in the episode, but such painful writing that I actually just felt all the way through like, can this just be over, it's too long, I don't want another thing to be done badly.... oh, no there is another ridiculously awful scene.

Cersei not getting a vindictive, purposeful, meaningful death but dying hidden in a crypt that no one else can witness was just, again subversion for subversion's sake. We all wanted to see that ***** get what she deserved and D&D knew that, so we didn't get it. We wanted to see how they'd take the city when Drogon was taken out of the equation, some awesome tactics and an awesome battle... nope, scorpions encountered a bug and stopped working.

Arya killing Cersei... haha nope, Jamie continuing his redemption and being a good guy, nope can't have that either. What about Jon doing something heroic, or Dany being a good queen everyone wants, nope, nope, nope.
 
Martini1991 said:
Cleganebowl was basically fan fiction.

I don't even know how I felt about that episode. Too predictable is probably the best way to describe it.
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Let's be honest - if the series ended without the brothers having a face off there'd be a lot more complaints.
Not sure it was 'that' predictable. Predictable was the will they/won't they get the bells ringing. Tyrion got them ringing, good for him.

Less predictable was Dany going, **** it, I'm burning it all anyway. Granted less predictable because although she's been ruthless about burning her enemies (think back to the witch in season one), she's never harmed civilians.

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We've only seen the scorpions take out one Dragon cruising along in a straight line that didn't see them coming, maybe we're over estimating them a bit or underestimating Drogon who's had enough encounters to know how to avoid them now. Like flying below angles they can shoot and circling faster than they can (ross voice) PIVOT.
 
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StriderX said:
Cersei’s arc ended about as much as I’d expected it to, it’s the least damaged honestly considering the terrible writing she had to deal with.
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Sandor's arc is the least damaged and probably the best, he stayed redeemed, he got a thank you from Arya and she even called him Sandor as a mark of respect, the only person to call him Sandor in the show and he finishes off his brother the same way his back story begins, in fire

Cersei's arc should have ended with her captured, on trial and not apologising for the things she did for her family and either getting burned by Dragon or tortured to death, but no it's much easier to turn her into a whimpering wreck, pleading not to die and dying to a bunch of rocks :rolleyes:
 
Moothead2 said:
No doubt people will point to the Tarly executions as "fOrEsHaDoWiNg" but could you imagine Tywin allowing one of the greatest military commanders the world has ever seen to live if it was obvious he'd never serve you? Maybe he'd have kept them as bargaining chips but when you were in her position of power in Season 7 there was no need for them.
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There's been some obvious deterioration to Dany for a while.

She just went mental this season though. Almost like we went from 1-60 MPH in a second.
 
Minusorange said:
Sandor's arc is the least damaged and probably the best, he stayed redeemed, he got a thank you from Arya and she even called him Sandor as a mark of respect, the only person to call him Sandor in the show and he finishes off his brother the same way his back story begins, in fire

Cersei's arc should have ended with her captured, on trial and not apologising for the things she did for her family and either getting burned by Dragon or tortured to death, but no it's much easier to turn her into a whimpering wreck, pleading not to die and dying to a bunch of rocks :rolleyes:
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But the positions and characterisations of them aren’t comparable, Sanford arc is really rather simple and very easily resolved which is exactly why people got cleganebowl.

Cersei is as potent as dany is, but through luxury instead of poverty, both slaves of the game. It’s entirely fitting that she die in the least interesting manner, totally forgotten about. Whilst dany will... well should be more entertaining.

SuBvErTiNg expectations
 
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