Wokery

[deuse]

The football fans these days are like church mice compared to the late 80s\2000s

 

[dlockers]

Otherwise known as unconscious bias.

Boo hiss

 

[Terminal_Boy]

The football fans these days are like church mice compared to the late 80s\2000s

I remember my late father and I hiding our scarves and ducking into a pet shop along Bury Park Road as Spurs fans ran riot through the streets of Luton in the 1970s.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

The football fans these days are like church mice compared to the late 80s\2000s

Anyone too young to remember can just watch The Football Factory.

 

[JRS]

Otherwise known as unconscious bias.

My bias is entirely concious

 

[ZXSpectrum]

Anyone too young to remember can just watch The Football Factory.

Green Street is another one. There was a lot of scumbag nutter hooligans carrying stanley knives in the area of football matches back then. Some did not have any intention of going to watch the match just to cause violence. We had a lot up here in Derby with the DLF. I was in a shop a couple of years ago and there was some skinny little scrote mouthing off about he was a member of the DLF to someone else as if it was some sort of revered status. I just thought, what a pathetic scumbag!

 

[jpaul]

If you listen to spectators stadium account on r4@1, the reports of Itallian fans / flag being accusted post match, the bad times are returning,
that, plus laser incident - should avoid tax payer burden, hosting the World cup down the line, we already lost two bids apparently.
(and how much do they rent Wembley for)

Government standing by Preti - woke Kier has decided to tilt at this windmill, still pursuing absolution post Corbyn;
formula 1 reaction to the knee at Silverstone could be interesting.

 

[JRS]

formula 1 reaction to the knee at Silverstone could be interesting should be deeply uninteresting.

FTFY. There either will be no reaction, or the reaction to it will be as boring as the reaction has been to it with other sports.

 

[robgmun]

There’s some garbage in this thread but this is absolutely top of that pile. What a load of nonsense this is. Wow.

Low value post, just saying it's garbage without explaining why means this post is garbage in itself. Try harder

 

[Nasher]

Apparently today is "international non-binary people day" lol

But I see no inclusion of interspecies and people who identify as other objects, such as chairs and attack helicopters? So bigoted.

 

[Lysander]

Apparently today is "international non-binary people day" lol

I can't wait for International Stargender Day.

For those who want to know:

Stargender is a gender with at least three different meanings:

• Identifying one's gender as a star. Subgenders also exist. For example, a person might identify emself as a blue star, therefore being an O-stargender or B-stargender. If ey identify as a star radiating longer wavelengths, A-stargender, F-stargender or G-stargender are more accurate terms. In addition, a starperson might self-identify as a binary or multiple star system. For example, a person self-identified as a binary yellow-orange system with a lonely red dwarf is a GKM-stargender, like the Alpha Centauri system. Under this definition this is an otherkin identity not a gender one.
• The second is “an other-worldly/non-human gender” which is likened to being beyond comprehension.
• The third is “no matter how many genders are discovered/coined, none would match for the person.”

https://gender.wikia.org/wiki/Stargender

 

[sigma]

I can't say the multi-racial criteria hadn't crossed my mind. Maybe it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

- All more experienced [and coincidentally white] penalty takers - we win and people accuse Southgate of racism which can never be disproven.

vs

- Mixed penalty line-up, we lose - but no-one can say Southgate is racist.

Racism > *

The most powerful and misused word of the 21st century.

I can’t say the race ever crossed my mind. I think that’s says more about you than anything else.

From what I can see Rashford has missed two penalties for his club team and Sancho has missed one.... having scored 15 and 10... are you saying they are poor penalty takers?

 

[sigma]

I believe it has least partially has to do with it, either giving black players the opportunity but they failed to step up or he was chasing the headline of "3 black lions" for an England win for the "good of the sport" I suppose he had good intentions but in the end, this shows up the fallacy of diversity over the best man for the job regardless of colour.

Which other players have better stats?

 

[jpaul]

Having been on the pitch in the heat of battle/adrenaline, somewhat trumps existing statistics, pitch was wet too; Greolich with his aggression would be a no brainer, as #4,
to provide confidence if #3 missed. I don't remember how many takers did Italy bring on, cold, in comparison.

FTFY. There either will be no reaction, or the reaction to it will be as boring as the reaction has been to it with other sports.

Vettel comment about the knee, for Austrian GP , I don't speak German to know how he expresses his conviction in German.

Sebastian Vettel, who took the knee next Hamilton at the front of the grid, said he wanted to support his fellow multi world champion while also sending a powerful message.
"It was to be with him making the gesture but also sending the message, the message is what really matters most," said the Ferrari driver, who is a director of the GPDA. "The motivation is quite straight-forward. One is the message that we all try to transmit as drivers wearing the same shirts.
"There was never a second of doubt in my head [about kneeling], first and foremost out of respect for Lewis, and to support him, and the message. That's why I was happy to kneel."

 

[dowie]

Totally unlike a poster like JRS to be so sceptical of foreign interference in the domestic affairs of another country to potentially achieve a political aim?

I seem to remember he was quite on on-board with the idea when it came to a certain US president?

Was going to post that link today myself, I think the claim went over JRS's head in the first place tbh... as he conflated evidence backing the claim (re: Somali LARPers) relating to the small number of tweeters posting directly on the tl on twitter and the claim relating to foreign accounts - including those just spamming monkey emojis on Instagram etc.. The thing is I'd already mentioned Southgate's comments in the post re: the accounts mostly being overseas and anyone could have seen that in his interview.

There was this claim too, I think he means centre for countering digital hate, but I can see a source for this + the presented is from GB news:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415067980334051329

So most of the social media posts are from overseas, of the handful on twitter that we had seen purportedly from England fans at least two of them were fake accounts with recently changed user names/profile pics and there is some seemingly chavvy Estate Agency manager from Manchester who either needs to be sacked for being a racist or needs to back up his claims that it wasn't him who wrote the tweet.

It's not good, it still needs to be stamped out but it seems very much hyped up by the media when a load of the emoji replies are fake or from overseas and the few egregious examples are seemingly some (young British?) Somalis mucking around.

Likewise the vandalism of the mural, that's been thrown into the mix and had some mass virtue signalling bend de knee event, I'm sure that's nice and comforting for Rashford etc.. but really there doesn't appear to be anything inherently racist there - while actual racial abuse needs to be condemned I'm not sure we need coddle people so much to the point where literally anything negative towards a player who happens to be black is then assumed to be "racism".

For example, remember when Beckham got his red card and fans were upset at him:



Was that racist towards Beckham or do we forget that some football fans are chavvy idiots who will take losing badly and lash out? Not nice behaviour but I'd class the vandalism of the mural as being more in line with the above mock hanging of Beckham. And taunts from little turds like Darren Grimes on twitter as more like the above newspaper cutting re: Beckham.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

During interviews in the run up to the match Southgate said they practised penalties in training regularly. The whole squad would have known who was best, thus it just comes down to confidence/willingness/nerves on the night.

 

[dowie]

During interviews in the run up to the match Southgate said they practised penalties in training regularly. The whole squad would have known who was best, thus it just comes down to confidence/willingness/nerves on the night.

Yup, at the risk of going off-topic I think that's what has happened - he's perhaps picked the best players on paper given results he's seen taking penalties during practice, this perhaps hasn't taken into account potential differences in performance given the pressure they're under in a real semi-final match where perhaps things like experience and/or simply being warmed up having played in the match vs being sat on the bench etc.. matter too.

The boys who missed might have the technical edge in practice all else being equal, on paper they might well be the best but those other factors perhaps came into play a bit.... Of course, there is also just that there was a bit of bad luck involved too.

 

[Lysander]

Yup, at the risk of going off-topic I think that's what has happened - he's perhaps picked the best players on paper given results he's seen taking penalties during practice, this perhaps hasn't taken into account potential differences in performance given the pressure they're under in a real semi-final match where perhaps things like experience and/or simply being warmed up having played in the match vs being sat on the bench etc.. matter too.

The boys who missed might have the technical edge in practice all else being equal, on paper they might well be the best but those other factors perhaps came into play a bit.... Of course, there is also just that there was a bit of bad luck involved too.

I think with Rashford's penalty he succeeded in creating an opening by sending the goalie the wrong way, then just missed the opening. Probably because of nerves.

 

[R.P.L]

I think with Rashford's penalty he succeeded in creating an opening by sending the goalie the wrong way, then just missed the opening. Probably because of nerves.

Yep, he did everything but put it in the back of the net, and only missed by a whisker. It was better than Kane's pen in the semis for sure

It's very harsh to criticise Rashford for the miss, but also a given considering what some sports fans (particularly football) tend to be like. If any players were selected based on race then there's a separate criticism to be made, but on the face of it I don't think Rashford was a bad choice except for the fact that he had to take it straight after coming on (which is a valid criticism of management).

EDIT: maybe I'm being a bit harsh towards Kane's pen. He did hit the target, but it was easily saved as long as the keeper guessed the right way. Anyway, not looking for a debate about which was worse

 

[Tombstone]

I can't wait for International Stargender Day.

For those who want to know:

https://gender.wikia.org/wiki/Stargender

Double-U Tee Eff.

Good grief, is this really what humanity has become?? Please tell me thats not a real thing?