Wokery

[Colonel_Klinck]

I don't know a lot about football but thought the booing of the Italian national anthem was a disgrace personally. I saw various people I usually like defending it like because it was part of our "culture". It just didn't sit well with me at all.

Booing national anthems is a disgrace. It does fit with a certain arrogance we have in this country though, some might call it "culture", I wish they'd take their "culture" elsewhere. I was so proud of this team and those players. We finally have a team to be really proud of, that actually really do care about playing for England, that isn't club before country and its the fans who ruin it again.

 

[dlockers]

Booing national anthems is a disgrace. It does fit with a certain arrogance we have in this country though, some might call it "culture", I wish they'd take their "culture" elsewhere. I was so proud of this team and those players. We finally have a team to be really proud of, that actually really do care about playing for England, that isn't club before country and its the fans who ruin it again.

Yep.

It was compounded for me by the morons that turned into social justice warriors when folk were trying to break into the grounds and they started kicking folks head in. They were equally matched knuckle draggers IMO. Unpopular opinion but I imagine Italy would have supported their fans trying to 'safely' breach in the name of solidarity and seeing such a spectacle; but no, our fans saw it as an opportunity to have a scrap.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

A small minority of fans. As always it's the idiots who ruin it for everyone else.

 

[omnomnom]

Yep.

It was compounded for me by the morons that turned into social justice warriors when folk were trying to break into the grounds and they started kicking folks head in. They were equally matched knuckle draggers IMO. Unpopular opinion but I imagine Italy would have supported their fans trying to 'safely' breach in the name of solidarity and seeing such a spectacle; but no, our fans saw it as an opportunity to have a scrap.

This is sarcasm surely?

 

[dlockers]

This is sarcasm surely?

I stuck my neck out with that comment but it is rooted in behaviours at music festivals. Have you ever seen people try and break into a music festival? Punters don't attack other punters and play security guard.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I stuck my neck out with that comment but it is rooted in behaviours at music festivals. Have you ever seen people try and break into a music festival? Punters don't attack other punters and play security guard.

I get your musical festival point but a stadium is a confided space, the last thing any person in that stadium wants to be is involved in another Hillsborough. I certainly wouldn't have felt like assisting any of those fans that broke in, I wouldn't have resorted to violence either though. That should never have happened and Wembley, the FA and UEFA need to rectify the situation so it never happens again.

 

[R.P.L]

I stuck my neck out with that comment but it is rooted in behaviours at music festivals. Have you ever seen people try and break into a music festival? Punters don't attack other punters and play security guard.

I'm not sure there's any merit in encouraging people to gatecrash events without tickets, and seems like a stretch to link fans' attitudes towards gatecrashers to racist hooliganism. Also, if you think that reacting violently to gatecrashers is an example of SJW behaviour then you're mistaken (although I suspect it was a deliberate conflation in an attempt to blur the lines).

 

[dlockers]

I get your musical festival point but a stadium is a confided space, the last thing any person in that stadium wants to be a part of is another Hillsborough. I certainly wouldn't have felt like assisting any of those fans that broke in, I wouldn't have resorted to violence either though. That should never have happened and Wembley, the FA and UEFA need to rectify the situation so it never happens again.

Totally agreed on your last point. But once a breach happens, causing a riot isn't the answer. They were a few folk who would have dispersed and mingled with the masses to avoid being ejected.

 

[omnomnom]

I stuck my neck out with that comment but it is rooted in behaviours at music festivals. Have you ever seen people try and break into a music festival? Punters don't attack other punters and play security guard.

Italy have quite possibly the worst football fans in Europe mate. Try going on an away to Napoli without police protection.

 

[dlockers]

I'm not sure there's any merit in encouraging people to gatecrash events without tickets, and seems like a stretch to link fans' attitudes towards gatecrashers to racist hooliganism. Also, if you think that reacting violently to gatecrashers is an example of SJW behaviour then you're mistaken (although I suspect it was a deliberate conflation in an attempt to blur the lines).

Have a look at the videos on Twitter and take a look. It is the typical football hooligans playing SJW. You even hear them chanting 'pay your ticket'.

And it isn't encouragement, they are already there.

 

[dlockers]

Italy have quite possibly the worst football fans in Europe mate. Try going on an away to Napoli without police protection.

Napoli is like a land in its own right tbf. Spent a while there some time back.

 

[R.P.L]

Have a look at the videos on Twitter and take a look. It is the typical football hooligans playing SJW. You even hear them chanting 'pay your ticket'.

And it isn't encouragement, they are already there.

I don't remember SJWs ever chanting for punters to pay for something before (usually the exact opposite in fact ).

EDIT: and the fact that they're already there doesn't mean it can't be encouraged. If everyone celebrates / protects people who break into events then it encourages it in future.

 

[MikeTheNative]

I don't condone either but there's a difference between trying to hop a fence out of sight versus a crowd bum rushing a few poor security guards in a confined space.

 

[dlockers]

I don't condone either but there's a difference between trying to hop a fence out of sight versus a crowd bum rushing a few poor security guards in a confined space.

And then a crowd bum rushing the other crowd, and then blaming the 3 security guards who get paid minimum wage.

 

[Lysander]

And then a crowd bum rushing the other crowd, and then blaming the 3 security guards who get paid minimum wage.

Yes, often security guards are paid crap and have no authority or training to physically interact. They are mostly there as deterrents. I have known a few security guards in my line of work and more often than not they are useless sacks of ****. One or two have been good, but mostly they are rubbish.

 

[jpaul]

It was compounded for me by the drunken? morons

law of unintended consequences, from the shootout (if you don't fight like hell ....)

Domestic violence surges after a football match ends
....
A study in 2014 by academics at Lancaster University looked at the number of reports of abuse to a police force in the north-west of England during three football World Cups. They found that such reports increased by 26% when the national team won or drew, and by 38% when the team lost (other studies suggest abuse is worse when England wins)
....
There are some straightforward solutions to this ghastliness. The authors suggest that a “considerable amount of domestic abuse” could be mitigated by arranging football fixtures on weekdays or later in the evening. This would prevent all-day binges (including after matches), which the authors reckon are responsible for most of the additional violence. Restricting the sale of alcohol at sports venues, as France does, would also help. The Euro 2020 final on Sunday will inevitably be accompanied by lengthy drinking sessions. Whatever the outcome of the match, some women will suffer.

can't say I bought additional alcohol for home consumption

 

[MikeTheNative]

It's a poorly paid job with minimal training and these people often only do it for a few hours every know and again. They are just there to keep things moving not to deal with proper security breaches.

 

[Em3bbs]

You'll have to forgive my scepticism regarding anything that dowie trumpets as being proof that something is going on.

Nice to see that everyone is onboard with the idea that foreign governments want to sow chaos in this manner now though. Back when it was the Brexit campaigns going on it was absolutely impossible

Not at all - of course they would have got involved in the Brexit campaigns too. I think your problem is that you have a very binary view of things, a great example here is you're disagreeing with some others on a totally unrelated subject because (I assume) they were advocates of Brexit and you disagreed with them before. You're not alone in doing this by the way, it seems to happen a hell of a lot, especially on Twitter.

 

[JRS]

a great example here is you're disagreeing with some others on a totally unrelated subject because (I assume) they were advocates of Brexit and you disagreed with them before.

Well, no. I'm hanging a lampshade on the word 'evidence' being used in that way. Additionally, he would be one of the first to call two Twitter accounts not enough 'evidence' if you were arguing against a point that he made.

Besides, any disagreements I've had with dowie on here have hardly been limited to Brexit

 

[Em3bbs]

Besides, any disagreements I've had with dowie on here have hardly been limited to Brexit

Otherwise known as unconscious bias.