Soldato
I'm slightly.surprised that the misogyny word hasn't been thrown around either at the judge or at the law in general being misogynistic
Woman sentenced to prison for abortion.
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It has now <LOL>
I'd take that in a heartbeat. Currently going back and forth with the idea of having the snip as we are trying to decide if we want another. Once that choice has been made will depend how I treat getting the surgery. I just hate that it feels so 'final' so I really need to know it's what I want.
My partner doesn't want to be on the pill/implant because when she gets pumped up with hormones it puts her in a pretty bad space and we've both heard horror stories of the coil. I'd gladly take one for the team if a male pill was invented. Can't stand party hats but obviously the fact we now have a (frankly amazing) daughter shows my method clearly needs a bit more work
Hormones go crazy, then why take them? Is it really worth it? Affecting your mental health to not wear a condom, or an alternative method doesn't seem worth it to me.
What do we think a male pill will do to men? Zero consequences?
Soldato
There’s many reasons why a male contraceptive pill would be a good thing.
Contraceptive measures affect the consumer differently. You might find the female in the relationship suffers considerable negative side affects with numerous types of contraceptive, but the male partner might not.
It would be the first non-permanent solution to contraception for men.
It would be helpful to those have casual sex (albeit not as good as condoms from an STD/STI perspective).
Contraceptive measures affect the consumer differently. You might find the female in the relationship suffers considerable negative side affects with numerous types of contraceptive, but the male partner might not.
It would be the first non-permanent solution to contraception for men.
It would be helpful to those have casual sex (albeit not as good as condoms from an STD/STI perspective).
I don't think it will have zero consequences, just as the female pill doesn't have zero consequences now.
I've been with my partner for long enough to see she really doesn't get along with the additional hormones so I feel it is unfair expecting her to take something. Though if a male pill was released I would at least try it as perhaps it wouldn't effect me as bad as she currently gets affected.
It's not about having zero consequences, it's about lessening the burden of responsibility on her.
a male contraceptive pill has been exceptionally hard to develop mainly due to the biological nature of male gamete production. Trials have had to be stopped due to catastrophic side effects, permanent infertility etc.
a successful drug would have to completely stop sperm cell production, in a selective way to spare normal organ functioning.
this would be closer to chemotherapy than the much simpler female contraception - for example the mini-pill or desogestrel works by slightly increasing mucus production at the cervical os (the entrance to the womb) and that blocks the path of incoming sperm. That's it.
Soldato
Yeah, this wasn't an "innocent mistake", she clearly knew exactly what she was doing and lied multiple times to doctors/paramedics in order to get the medication and cover up the stage of the pregnancy. If anything she got off lightly (in my opinion) - 14 months is a joke considering the circumstances!
I wonder what the sentence would have been if my other half had decided "terminate" our youngest at 34 weeks?
I'm sure I read about trials of some kind of inflatable "balloon" which was inserted in the urethra and blocks the sperm, but can be deflated/removed relatively easily - essentially a temporary vasectomy. Might have been imagining it though
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the act of taking the termination pills was not the cause of the death for the innocent baby.
the pills merely induced labour, and essentially she would (almost certainly) have birthed a liveborn baby girl.
babies need tending immediately after birth, as I am sure everyone knows, drying and warming up, cutting the cord, a slap on the bottom sometimes to initiate the reflex of breathing and baby's first cry.
I have had the privilege of witnessing this twice with my boys and it's an unfading memory.
What happened with this woman is that she birthed the baby and allowed her to perish.
This is the harsh reality of her callous act, and exactly why her sentence is shockingly lenient.
And then she has the gall to put out these soppy FB messages about how no-one can judge her. We can.
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All drugs have different side effects for different people - as mentioned above, the female contraceptive pill works for some women, doesn’t work for others, causes horrific side effects in some but not others, and also has positive side effects related to periods. There’s also lots of different types for them to try.
The fact that potential male pills would have similar issues is to be expected, and should not stop the research into them. I would agree that permanent infertility is one side effect you’d want to avoid, but as a potential alternative to the snip shouldn’t be discounted.
Not everyone wants to have kids, and the more options we have to prevent unwanted pregnancies and abortions the better, as humans are going to bone regardless.
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its about different things for different people. i know plenty who need to be on the pill as without they get awful complications with periods etc.
you are right a male pill could lessen the burden on the woman, but equally it gives men a bit more control (as do condoms but not everyone gets on with them).
i have a child. to be honest if needed i would have no issue at all having the snip. i dont need to however because as mentioned above, my wife would be on the pill either way.
There's not really that much difference between the views of men and women on the subject
Agree abortion should be legal
First 6 weeks - Male 59% female 65%
First 14 weeks - Male 44% Female 45%
First 20 weeks - Male 28% Female 26%
So interestingly it appears men are slightly less in favour of abortion in general but when it comes to late term abortions men are slightly *more* in favour than women.
Which would make shouting "misogyny" for prosecution for an elective abortion circa 30-32 weeks a bit ridiculous as the evidence suggests women may be slightly *more* of the opinion that it should be illegal vs men.
There's certainly some absolutist who place the 'right to choose' as being the only consideration right up until birth but they come in male and female varieties in not to dissimilar numbers.
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oh for sure. I know some people have zero issues with the pill and continue as normal. It absolutely battered my partner though.
Depending how the next year goes will depend if I get the snip or not.
Soldato
So she's going to be let out already
Carla Foster: Mother jailed over lockdown abortion to be released
The Court of Appeal has reduced Carla Foster's sentence for illegally obtaining abortion tablets.
www.bbc.co.uk
Caporegime
So there is no point to having a cutoff for abortion then. 14 months suspended ie. nothing.
Ahh yes, the value that says you can murder a child up until the day its born if you decide you don't fancy it at any point. Perhaps we should just allow parents to murder their children at any point until they are 18.
If only we lived in a country where you could give unwanted children up for adoption. One day perhaps. Until then we will have the horrible reality of women having to murder their unborn child because there is no other option.
Ahh yes, the value that says you can murder a child up until the day its born if you decide you don't fancy it at any point. Perhaps we should just allow parents to murder their children at any point until they are 18.
If only we lived in a country where you could give unwanted children up for adoption. One day perhaps. Until then we will have the horrible reality of women having to murder their unborn child because there is no other option.
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Soldato
I don’t really get it either. The law as it stands is widely supported, and the judicial system risks a backlash from much more hardline elements if it’s not enforced.
This was a clear cut case of breaking the law.
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Soldato
Many laws like this one does not apply to me, but i agree that, if the law exists then it should be enforced.
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Its not even hardline elements. Its just common sense. The law is there for a reason. Its not outdated and its not draconian. She could have given birth weeks earlier and the child would almost certainly have survived and grown up just fine. She killed that baby for god knows what reason. She was not between a rock and a hard place and she had to give birth anyway because, shock horror that was a completely viable baby that she murdered.
I am probably more emotional on this issue that some because I have recently had my first 2 nippers but my word how can you decide to kill a baby instead of just giving it up for adoption. She could have come in and basically said "get this thing out of me or I will" and they would have done just that. She chose to kill that baby.
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This particular law applies to everyone.
She was punished, not because she aborted, but because she obtained the abortion method through deception - It was unlawfully obtained and thus unlawfully administered.
As written, the law punishes the mother or any other person, who unlawfully obtains (or provides) or administers a method of abortion. If she'd been honest and the doctor had still let her have the pill, the doctor would be the one hauled over the coals, for the unlawful supply.
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She lives about 3 miles down the road from me so will be interesting to see how her village react to it.
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