Women say some rape victims should take blame

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groen said:
These studies are always non sense.

Rape is NEVER the victims fault. that is the end of it. If they want to get 1000 rapists and ask them who is to blame then sure they will say the victim.

I remember last time they said cannabis leads to scizophrenia i researched their "study" and found that they were actually asking mental patients if they ever smoked cannabis and that was the study.

it does not matter how you dance, how you dress, the blame for rape is on the rapist. No matter who the victim is, whether they think the victim is a terrorist and the rapists where nice shiny uniforms with badges that say British transport police. They are still rapists....

These sorts of studies make it into the media via common purpose and are attacks on the victims of rape. They release these sorts of press releases as there are evil rapists that have control high up within the government and media. but no one wants to believe that...
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So there is absolutely no responsibility whatsoever on the victim for their exposure to the situation?

There is nothing at all that many victims could have done that would have prevented or dramatically reduced their risk?

Do you argue that someone who leaves their house unlocked and the front door open while they go out for 8 hours has no responsibility at all if their possessions get stolen?
 
there is a lot more rape that occurs that goes unreported than is actually reported and then the amount that actually is reported that is women lieing is very small in consideration of the unreported.

the amount of drug rape that is occuring these days is unbelievable. only with the advent of easily accessible sedative and hypnotic drugs from the pharma has this become more common.

the drugs that are out there these days you can ***** some one with a drawing pin dipped in the sedative and there memory will blank out completey until you give them some smelling salts under the noes. if you speak to them in a certain way when they wake up, hand them a form to fill out or ask them a question etc. they will not even realize that they were knocked out and this can be done in mid conversation. this comes as i have seen this first hand.
 
lowrider007 said:
Really?, so in that instance your saying that if a women takes a guy home, she's a bit drunk etc, been flirting with said chap all night, but then changes her mind at the last minute, maybe she realises it's not something that she actually wants to do or whatever, but the man proceeds to rape her then you beleive that the women in question should take some responsibility for that rape ?
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It is the rapist who is at fault definitely, but if the the victim actively gets themselves get in such a vulnerable position then they should take responsibility for their actions.
 
So baaaaaaasically, I'ma get her on top and then after about 5 minutes or so (Read: 20 seconds), I'ma tell her I don't wanna do it anymore and if dat beeatch don't hop the **** off pronto, she be rapin'?
 
lowrider007 said:
Really?, so in that instance your saying that if a women takes a guy home, she's a bit drunk etc, been flirting with said chap all night, but then changes her mind at the last minute, maybe she realises it's not something that she actually wants to do or whatever, but the man proceeds to rape her then you beleive that the women in question should take some responsibility for that rape ?
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its sort of like walking through a bad neighbourhood with a a wad of cash in your hand and a waving an expensive phone....
 
So there is absolutely no responsibility whatsoever on the victim for their exposure to the situation?

There is nothing at all that many victims could have done that would have prevented or dramatically reduced their risk?

Do you argue that someone who leaves their house unlocked and the front door open while they go out for 8 hours has no responsibility at all if their possessions get stolen?
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well you take it to the extreme if you want and say well a 16 year old girl who is extremely good looking where a short skirt should not be hanging out with a bunch gangsters in a secluded location as she is asking for trouble. sure some instances where the victim should know better. but in those instances, the only fault of the victim would be ignorance, naivity or just being too trustful.

i don't think the comparison of leaving your house unlocked, to being a victim of rape works.
 
well even if you see a guy walking through a neighbourhood with a wad of cash and you rob him, you are still a theif, even if you think the guy is "asking for it". you are still a theif and he is still a victim of theft.

the only people that try and blame the victims of rape, for being too sexy (oh god what a crime) is the rapists themselves.

if you can't control yourself around good looking people, people who dance well or people who you are attracted to, then maybe you shouldn't go out.
 
groen said:
well you take it to the extreme if you want and say well a 16 year old girl who is extremely good looking where a short skirt should not be hanging out with a bunch gangsters in a secluded location as she is asking for trouble. sure some instances where the victim should know better. but in those instances, the only fault of the victim would be ignorance, naivity or just being too trustful.
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Or just plain old irresponsible, much like those who go out and get slaughtered voluntarily at weekends, or who voluntarily put themselves in a position with someone else who is also drunk that is easily misinterpreted.

i don't think the comparison of leaving your house unlocked, to being a victim of rape works.
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That's not the comparison being made though, the comparison is between two individuals who could have taken simple steps to dramatically reduce their risk of being a victim, but instead raised it through their own actions.

This is not to, in any way, belittle or demean the crime under discussion, but I can't help wondering if some of it is a throwback 'defenseless women' mentality that means it's everyone else's responsibility to protect them rather than partly their own.

Rape prosecutions would be much easier if there was more responsibility for situations, because the current problem is the average rape case consists of solely a dispute about consent with no witnesses...
 
groen said:
well even if you see a guy walking through a neighbourhood with a wad of cash and you rob him, you are still a theif, even if you think the guy is "asking for it". you are still a theif and he is still a victim of theft.
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But he must accept some responsibility for his actions.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ried-rape-sex-public-toilet-escapes-jail.html

And this just goes to prove just how stupid our justice system is...a lady who makes a false claim on some innocent lad that he raped her but hadnt in reality...instead of being locked up she gets let off with a suspended sentence whilst the lad in question has had his name dragged through the mud...personally people like this girl need a good smacking around the head...idiot absolute idiot.
 
I think the bigger issue is rather than "blame" is whether or not is it actually "rape" and not some sort of remorse or something as well as placing more responsibility on the woman as well.

It's very easy for two people to get drunk, things go on that they both were too drunk to truly appreciate and the man get done for rape when realistically the responsibility should be on them both.

You can't blame the victim for "rape" but equally, some one isn't a rapist just because they've been accused by a women.

If the woman was "responsible" for a "rape" then it shouldn't even be called "rape" as by its definition, the victim can't be responsible for it.

It's like being ran over by a stray car and blaming the pedestrian for "being in the way when they knew cars do a lot of damage when they hit people".

Being ran over and jumping in front of a car and complaining about it aren't the same thing.
 
ok sure some instances of rape the victim was foolish and should have known better. but there is no responsibility on the victim of rape for the act itself.

anyway most cases of rape the victim was not wearing a short skirt or dancing sexy.

yea the women that lie about being raped and go on a date with a guy then willingly have sex then claim rape are worst than the rapist themselves.
 
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groen said:
well even if you see a guy walking through a neighbourhood with a wad of cash and you rob him, you are still a theif, even if you think the guy is "asking for it". you are still a theif and he is still a victim of theft.

the only people that try and blame the victims of rape, for being too sexy (oh god what a crime) is the rapists themselves.

if you can't control yourself around good looking people, people who dance well or people who you are attracted to, then maybe you shouldn't go out.
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There is a difference between blame and responsibility. I don't think the article is trying to blame the victims. The attacker is still to blame is and is in the wrong, it's not disputing that. You just can't help but wonder how many cases of rape would be avoided if young women were to go out wearing more than a bra and a belt and not get quite so hammered.
 
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