Women say some rape victims should take blame
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That's beside the point and is an entirely separate issue.
You shouldn't flash your cash in such a way because an opportunist may rob you, how ever it doesn't mean it's your "fault" for getting robbed.
The fault is that you exposed your cash with disregard for the type of people watching you, it's not your fault that some one decided to rob you though, it's simply stupid to wave cash about.
The person is still a thief.
You could say "getting burgled is your fault because you've got expensive AV stuff in your living room, what if some opportunist catches on one day?"
Or "It's your fault you got carjacked because you unlocked your doors when you stopped your card to get out".
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Unless it's a tabloid reporting the story
It doesn't really change the crime of the rapist though even if the woman made it easier?
It's not like the person that robs your house in the above example isn't a thief. It may well impact an insurance claim but as you don't get rape insurance that isn't really a problem.
Caporegime
No means no, any man who can't abide by that, regardless of the circumstances, is an idiot.
I know 5 women who have been raped, and it's a sickening thing.
I know 5 women who have been raped, and it's a sickening thing.
It doesn't change the crime, but this survey was about perception, not criminality.
The perception of the victim and the actions of the victim are always going to be linked, because people have responsibility for the consequences of their actions, whether those consequences are inevitable or simply facilitated.
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No means no. I go home blueballed some nights because there are a lot of **** teases in town.
I've not raped anyone because I have self control, blokes who don't belong in jail.
I've not raped anyone because I have self control, blokes who don't belong in jail.
I think people are missing points that have been made here
I think everyone agrees that the rapist is to blame
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that the victim, in some circumstances, has to take some responsibility for their own actions, which may have aided the rapist's chances of actually raping
I think everyone agrees that the rapist is to blame
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that the victim, in some circumstances, has to take some responsibility for their own actions, which may have aided the rapist's chances of actually raping
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yea there is no excuse for rape, the rapists are the only ones who could even think to put any blame on to the victim.
i don't believe these studies that they put out.
in most cases there is nothing you could have done to prevent it, take that cabi rapist guy. what can you do ?
all i can say is, to the men and ladies. watch what you drink, even from your friends.
i don't believe these studies that they put out.
in most cases there is nothing you could have done to prevent it, take that cabi rapist guy. what can you do ?
all i can say is, to the men and ladies. watch what you drink, even from your friends.
Responsibility to me is not getting yourself in to any sort of position where you can be taken advantage of.
Wearing provocative clothes, getting hammered, being unable to walk in a straight line and so on.
If a woman in such a situation got raped because she fell over somewhere and was too drunk to get back up, she should accept responsibility for anything that happens to her then, however it doesn't mean that she "deserves" it, but she's being extremely careless showing a blatant disregard for her own personal safety.
Now, when you know there are people who will take advantage of you in such a situation, you shouldn't be making it easier for them.
To put it in simple simple terms, if there was an abundance of people who attack anyone when their belly button is visible, you should keep your belly button covered up if you want to stay out of trouble, if you want to expose your belly button, you need to be aware of the consequences that it may result in.
Caporegime
I'm partly to blame for getting stabbed as I wasn't wearing my flak-vest whilst walking home?
It doesn't, however the woman's actions can be the difference between getting raped and the rapist choosing some one else.
Again, not blaming the woman, the rapist is ultimately the one to blame, you can't dispute that some women make it easier for would be rapists to attack when they're so drunk that they can't stand up and focus their eyes.
No , but if you went into an area well know for stabbings then your actions are irresponsible
Why is it a separate issue? The article the OP linked to is focused on responsibility, not fault:
Of the women who believed some victims should take responsibility, 71% thought a person should accept responsibility when getting into bed with someone, compared with 57% of men.
Completely different situation. Going in to an area where you know there's some one stabbing people, without a "flak vest", getting stabbed then proclaiming that you don't understand why it happened.
You can't really compare the two.
Not wearing your seatbelt when you're in your friend's car who drives like a maniac is more comparable.
You know they drive recklessly, not putting your seatbelt on is upping the chance of serious harm.
No just like the woman walking through the pak in the day and is attacked is in no way responsible.
But if you'd gotten totally drunk and started waving your cash in the face of some random chav you think there would be no connection?
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You won't be to blame, but you'll have to understand that if you walk home through an area of knife wielding drunkards that you didn't do all that you could to keep yourself safe.
The blame is entirely on the person committing the crime. The victim is responsible for their actions which may have been a contributing factor to the crime being committed.
From my (limited) experience of rape victims pretty much all of them take more responsibility for their rape than they should. "If only" can be a very destructive phrase at times.
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