Women say some rape victims should take blame

[Calabi]

Its nonsense and kind of sad that even the majority of women think that they are to blame.

Rape victims are in no way responsible for the actions of another person. There are certain expectations of living in this society and one of those is people are free do to do what they wish as long as it does not impinge/infringe, hurt someone else. Those whom hurt are entirely responsible for the hurt they cause, they cant blame the devil, they cant blame the victim.

If someone wishes to walk down the the most dangerous street in the city naked shouting "f me" "f me". If they lead on the most dangerous man in the world(and they dont say specific words like "I want you to rape me"). They can do so and they need not feel responsible for the actions of the weak willed other, upon them.

We dont require people to be aware of every danger, people cannot be aware of every danger. Trust is a part of normal social activities, people can be naive, and they shouldnt be, but thats the way some people are, should everyone be suspicious and paranoid all the time. They cannot be aware of the other persons intent, if they arent aware of the other persons intent then they arent responsible(even if they are, they arent, unless they really goad that person into that action and by goad I mean by saying specifically, do this, do this(only then they are partially responsible)

 

[sanaxe1]

there is a lot more rape that occurs that goes unreported than is actually reported and then the amount that actually is reported that is women lieing is very small in consideration of the unreported.

the amount of drug rape that is occuring these days is unbelievable. only with the advent of easily accessible sedative and hypnotic drugs from the pharma has this become more common.

the drugs that are out there these days you can ***** some one with a drawing pin dipped in the sedative and there memory will blank out completey until you give them some smelling salts under the noes. if you speak to them in a certain way when they wake up, hand them a form to fill out or ask them a question etc. they will not even realize that they were knocked out and this can be done in mid conversation. this comes as i have seen this first hand.

Drink spiking is pretty much a urban myth. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

 

[drunkenmaster]

In a perfect world, the victim has no blame or responsibility, however, we don't live in that world, in a lot of situations there is some responsibility on behalf of the victim.

If I stand outside 10 downing street, naked, clearly with no wallet on me and I get mugged, I'd be surprised and there wouldn't be much I did to blame.

If I walk through, Compton, flashing my cash on a street, wearing a Rolex clearly visible, with lots of gold rings on, well I WOULD accept some responsibility.

You don't have to get drunk, you don't have to go back to someones house with one or more people you don't know, thats a choice and while in a perfect world there shouldn't be any expectation something bad could happen, we live in the real world. You CHOOSE to take those actions and in doing so accept the small risk you might be with someone whose a nasty person capable of rape.

If someone is raped in a house while drunk with a guy she picked up in the bar, well, would she have been raped if she hadn't gone to the bar, no, if she'd gone but not drunk and not gone home with the guy, no. The two choices, to go out and drink, and go back to this guys place SHOULDN'T carry the risk of bad things happening, but they do have that risk, and the woman made those choices.

There are most certainly other situations where no sane decision would prevent you being raped, some people are dragged off a busy well lit street on their way home from work and you can't be blamed for that.

But put yourself in higher risk situations by your own choosing, if the risk is of being raped, being mugged, murdered, stabbed, etc, etc, etc, well there is personal responsibility there.

Of course you could meet someone in a bar, decide going home with them is too risky, get the phone number, meet them, their friends, know them for months, and still be raped, without it being at all your fault. But certain situations are obviously high risk, and you really don't have to walk into them.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Drink spiking is pretty much a urban myth. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

That's incorrect, as even your own link says.. widespread drink piking is an urban myth, not drink spiking itself. I know at least 3 girls that have been spiked (with blood tests the following morning to verify).

 

[Dave M]

If you leave your front door unlocked and open whilst you are at work, and you get burgled, it's still burglary, but it's still partly your fault for leaving the door unlocked and open. Much is the same for rape, if you lead someone on, go home with them, climb into bed with them, get raped, yes it is still rape, but it is also partly your fault. If you didn't want to sleep with them, why would you a) go home with them, and b) get in bed with them?!

That's more like getting so blotto you meet some bloke in the pub and give him your car.

You can't call him a car thief in the morning but he's certainly taken advantage of you.

 

[sanaxe1]

That's incorrect, as even your own link says.. widespread drink piking is an urban myth, not drink spiking itself. I know at least 3 girls that have been spiked (with blood tests the following morning to verify).

Thats why i said pretty much.

Definitions of pretty much on the Web:

* to some degree.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Thats why i said pretty much.

Definitions of pretty much on the Web:

* to some degree.

meh.. it didn't say "pretty much" when I read your post, but you had changed it before I clicked

but anywho.. drink spiking is a problem and does happen more than some think it does.

 

[Bear]

You've also got the argument of "what is consent"? If both are absolutely wasted and have sex but the woman doesn't necessarily want to, but doesn't say no/regrets it in the morning is that rape?

I have a friend that is a police officer that works in a rape unit, and she says that after investigation around 9 out of 10 times the woman that claimed a rape took place it was as you described. The couple would have sex, they occaisonally would do something the woman regrets in the morning or would regret having sex and claimed it was rape. No signs of bruising or any injuries to prove some element of force was used at all then the claim would be dropped.